So, you think Mike Tomlin should be fired?

This bears worth repeating.

 

Consider his peers. Most last 2-3 years. Some are fired after the first year. He’s lasted 13, won a superbowl, perennial winner. I guess my question is, why wouldn’t he? You have to imagine he’s coaching for at least another 10 years too, he’s only 48

 

Credit is due for actually naming someone. Most just say “fire his ass and figure it out” which is lazy as hell.

Consider that all coaches have a flaw. You’re going to find out that Bienemy does something you don’t like, and then you have the possibility of having a worse coach who does other stuff.

Common complaints about Tomlin are clock/game mgmt and sometimes playing down to competition. What if Eric Bienemy is a coach with different warts?

Even Bill Belichick has a flaw... dude absolutely cannot draft certain positions. His eyes for WR talent? Historically bad. Overall drafting talent is average. Still the greatest coach of all time and the margin is, lets call it, “super comfortable.”

 

You all can save your fingers typing because he will not be fired, until he has some major losing seasons which might happen when Ben "Hangs em up"

A lot of years with little playoff success. This year should be the tale of the tape if their is a quick exit. Rooney hopefully takes a hard look if that happens.

I thought this season he was more articulate in his press conferences at first, then the popcorn, minutiea, don't live in our fears crap came out again.

Last three games we saw the bug eyes come out.

So hold on Steeler friends, the ride is going to get a bit bumpy down the road. Just hope it doesn't happen this season.

 

Well I think it past time to find out someone else's "warts". Mikey's time has run out, completely underachieved with the talent he has had at his disposal. It would be great if every year ended in a super bowl but let face it that isn't gonna happen no matter who is the coach. But how about some playoff wins and some consistency when it really matters Dec-Jan. The only thing that is consistent is that he cant manage a game and cant win a challenge.

 

What...If he continues to underachieve for the next 10 years

 

Not really.



College coaches only can do so much sand a select few. Even if we are accounting for those select few, the NFL is a different animal all together. As I said, it takes more than just mere talent and Football IQ to become elite in this league. The basics and fundamentals are essential in doing so.



Chase, T.J. and Minkah have all gotten some form of valuable teaching and coaching from the aforementioned that I have already listed. Whether or not you believe those aforementioned coaches have done anything is up to you. One aspect is for certain; NFL coaches teach the fundamentals of what it takes to succeed. The best ones make it a constant that all bases are covered and no stone left unturned. The reward is that the player begins to showcase their improved skills as time progresses.



Terrell Edmunds is the best example. Chase Claypool is another. Again, up to you to believe that coaching makes a difference. For me, if Coaching was so irrelevant, Art Rooney II should just cut the entire staff sans Tomlin, Butler and Fichtner as the others are expendable and not needed.....



...... which is quite silly and arrogant to say the least.

 

With the players performing well on the field. Noll lost many games without failing to have the team prepared, a solid game plan, making adjustments.

He is called Belicheat for a reason. Bill's record stinks of foul play.

 

Tomlin wins with elite Ben
Tomlin wins with bad Ben
Tomlin wins without Ben

Yeah lets fire him.

 

Tomlin is not the problem at this time. The main problem is our 0-line. We could also use a bruising RB that does not get injured.

 

The question who are you going to get that will be better for sure? The answer is we don’t know. I seem to sway from one week to the next myself. But I’ll guarantee this Tomlin if fired ever will have a head coaching job before he gets to his car, you can bank on it. He has had some pretty awful luck 2 first round linebackers on their way to becoming top talents , that sucks . His QB gets hurt bad misses a year and other years never plays full season. Cheap owners look at the payroll between them and the Chiefs . What we as fans have to decide is is it better that every year we know we have a chance at something special , every year after year . Or would we like to suck for 5 years having no chance collect our 5 top ten picks and see what happens. I’m torn on this myself it seems to me like every year is ground hog day recently. I think the GM should take some blame we lose Bell and replace him with below average backs. That’s huge. It seems to me he’s never had full team offense was good the defense sucked , defense was good offense was bad. Special teams always sucks so I won’t go there . But he’s the head guy so for sure he deserves blame. But let’s be careful what we wish for we may get it and be like the loser Browns for 15 years . Sorry for the ramble

 

Of course you'll have players who'll need more teaching than others. For the true elite natural instinct players , they dont need as much , just a few tweaks here and there. You can't teach instinct ,you either have it or you dont. Just sounded like you were giving our first year receiver coach all the credit for Chase, when all that kid needed to learn was the playbook. Same with TJ, he probably learned more from JJ than anyone else. Having a brother like that probably put him 2 years ahead of everyone else. Fitz was a ball hawk back in college that carried over to the nfl , he's the same great player. He's another one that I told my friend that he's the type of player the steelers need , but the fish got to him first. Hilton is another one with the instinct he's becoming a mini me Troy, the kid is everywhere you can't teach that.

 

This contradicts your entire standpoint. Gifted or not, teaching is essential as there are an infinite number of variables within a snap in the NFL. To say that there is only a miniscule amount of tweaking to accomplish great things in the NFL because someone is a genius vs. constant learning and teaching is silly.



Why else have current players lauded Minkah's study habits?! Heck, even T.J. Watt, a known arduous worker, praises Minakh's ability to apply what he has been taught into fruition. Once again, even great players need teaching; no matter who they are.



To say teaching even the gifted should take little effort is silly. No matter how gifted anyone is at anything, the basics and fundamentals are essential for them to realize their maximum potential as quickly as they can. The reason that gifted players like Minkah and T.J. have and still produce results quicker than their contemporaries is due in part to their ability to pick up aspects of the game more quicker than those that cannot. This is where the "genius" aspect comes into play as said players can obtain and grasp the basics far quicker. However, none of this is a factor. Why?!


Without the proper knowledge of the NFL, Mike Tomlin might as well place the 3rd Team Defense on the field all together.

 

I like tomlin and I think he is a good coach however just like cowher he isn’t the greatest in the playoffs. 2008 he had exceptional talent on defense with a young Ben and playmakers on offense. Add Brady being out for the year and we got a title.

 

3 wins in 11 years is all his team, and nothing to brag about lol

 

Nobody said Tomlin was a better coach than Noll, I just pointed out Tomlin has the highest winning percentage.

 

Why didn't Cowher win more than one Super Bowl, with his own people ?

 

Saleh is overrated, his defense has been getting lit up this season.

 

His resume is similar to Cowher and Dungy, both of them got in the hall of fame. Marv Levy lost 4 Super Bowls and got in the HOF.

 

I don't see him bragging. He has done swell imo. Would a change shake up the monotony? Yes i would agree. Could be great, could be ooops.

I don't require Tomlin to win the SB, seen a lot of good, great coaches get snuffed out by lesser foes. Shula is a great example. I like the fact that he gets us there. Post season is for greatness & today's coaches need great qb play along with a decent defense.

 

No it doesn't, I never said they dont need any teaching . You said it was Tomlins bums who turned them into what they are now. All I've said is they've had very little in the say, they already had the natural gift. I'm done with this its going nowhere just like the Steelers come playoffs, cus Tomlin sucks and the clowns that he surounds himself with.

 

Yeah I know lol. I can agree with those who don’t like him and I can agree with those that do. For what it’s worth he’s our best option right now and I’d blame injuries taking down his best chances.

well...
2011
2014
2015
2017
All had Patriots waiting for us so it’s a moot point lol. 2016 we lose with bell anyways

 

So you wanted him fired in 2008?

 

Yep, Slimy Belicheat is the Steeler's nemesis.

 

Hmm let's see , could it be that he retired right when they became a SB caliber team? , he left too soon or he would've gotten another ring, or 2.