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So, you think Mike Tomlin should be fired?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 08SteelCurtain, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. Jujubean

    Jujubean Well-Known Member

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    Steel think playoffs...... playoffs. Assuming we lose this year in rd 1 which if you have been watching this team play and don’t think that will happen I’m not sure what else to say. Playoffs in 11 years 3 wins..... one handed to us by the Cincy Thug Gang in unbelievable fashion. That is acceptable?? I just can’t agree with that no matter how many juicy regular season stats are thrown out there. But hey maybe next year? Or the next or the next.......
     
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  2. AskQuestionsLater

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    Interesting.


    Remove all three then from the team. Let us see how the team fares without them moving forward.
     
  3. Jim90

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    Probably the same results or better. Its Ike's first season here and all of a sudden our receivers can't catch
     
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  4. Steel Hog

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    This is a broken record about who is better to replace MT. How many here even heard of MT during Cowhers last year before it was announced he was leaving? Yet here we are with someone very very few will say they knew of. The leading candidates back then were both assistants already here (Wiz and Griss?). So please, stop with there is no one out there garbage. Besides, MT isn't going anywhere until someone higher up then anyone here gets tired of just having winning or non- losing seasons forever.
     
  5. Jujubean

    Jujubean Well-Known Member

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    Once Ben retires which could be as soon as after this season, the no losing record thing will be all over.
     
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  6. Steel Hog

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    Must be an AFCN thing with keeping HC"s with bad playoff records. Not long ago I think Cincy had a coach that never won or won very few PO games and was around for a long time if I remember right. I guess he couldn't hit the 8-8 mark all that much.
     
  7. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin should not be fired. This team does not have a head coaching problem.
     
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  8. 08SteelCurtain

    08SteelCurtain Well-Known Member

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    Someone commented that the Rooneys run the franchise like a conservative investment firm... yes, as they should.

    The fact he’s 48 (young, this is when most coaches START) and proven makes him a long term high value asset. Since when do we not like long term high value assets? We lose two straight after winning 11 in a row and its sell, sell, sell? Glad you aren’t institutional investors.

    Our down years are some teams up years. Never forget that it can get so much worse than the worst we’ve had over the last 13 years. For God’s sake, look in our very division. The Bengals haven’t won a playoff game since 1991. The Browns just now realized you can win more than 7 games. Get some perspective, guys.

    He’s won 65.4% of his games. The sample size is 221 games. That’s enough of a sample size, right?
     
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  9. Jujubean

    Jujubean Well-Known Member

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    So we should compare ourselves to the Browns and Bengals while having a HOF QB?? Sure thing makes sense to me!

    And it’s not about 2 loses it’s that the writing is on the wall. Another wasted year another late season tank. 3 playoff wins in 11 years! I guess my expectations are higher than most here maybe those championships in 05 and 08 spoiled me rotten.

    You are good with regular season success and playoff embarrassments. To each their own.
     
  10. Jujubean

    Jujubean Well-Known Member

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    The real question should be would you rather have 10 straight years of 8-8 or better with no chance of a SB or take a chance at less regular season consistency with the hope of number 7???

    I know what choice I’d make.
     
  11. 08SteelCurtain

    08SteelCurtain Well-Known Member

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    Aaron Rodgers has been on 2 Packer teams with a losing record.

    Drew Brees has been on 4 Saints teams with a losing record.

    Peyton Manning has been on 2 Colts teams with a losing record.

    You’ve been spoiled by success so long you forget that some teams, even very good ones, make a pit stop at loserville.

    We get to look forward to every year expecting to make the playoffs. Again, perspective is needed if you can tell me with a straight face we need to fire Tomlin
     
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  12. 08SteelCurtain

    08SteelCurtain Well-Known Member

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    That is a loaded proposition. Your question assumes Mike Tomlin can never win another SB as a fact, which is bogus sir
     
  13. Jujubean

    Jujubean Well-Known Member

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    No that is fact. But I guess we can sit here at the end of next year and have the same argument as I’ve said last year and the year before that and the year before that.

    Anyone who has watched this team in the playoffs since TOMLIN was handed a SB caliber D and HOF QB in 07 should understand this. He is a complete fraud who has won a lot of regular season games with a higher talent level than 90 percent of the league most years. Especially in his division with the Bengals and Browns shortcomings as you mentioned.
     
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  14. Jujubean

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    And one of the biggest arguments I hear to defend Little Mikey is that Ben is stubborn and does what he wants on Offense. Well if that’s the case who’s freaking job is it to step in and put his ass in line?? Either get on the train to help the team win or get off. Once again that falls on the HC. You think Bill and Tom never had those difficult conversations??
     
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  15. 08SteelCurtain

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    Stop it, that is not a fact. Things that haven’t happened before have a chance at happening. Forget the fact that he already has won a superbowl.

    And stop with the “he was handed a talented roster.” Yeah, and he won with it? He has a superbowl caliber roster now, so if anything he has frame of reference of winning with one of those already. I have never taken that argument seriously.

    Mike Tomlin frustrates me at times, but I know the unknown couldn’t be much better and the alternatives could be much much much worse
     
  16. 08SteelCurtain

    08SteelCurtain Well-Known Member

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    The fact that you are assigning a 0% probability to something that has literally already happened is just wild
     
  17. Jujubean

    Jujubean Well-Known Member

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    Based on the avatar you are still living in the James Harrison and Lamar Woodley days. And that’s fine. Those were good times. But they were also 13 years ago......
     
  18. Jujubean

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    This team isn’t as good defensively as the team he inherited, even before Bush and Bud got hurt. OLine isn’t even close either. And Ben is 15 years older.
     
  19. 08SteelCurtain

    08SteelCurtain Well-Known Member

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    Um, the 2008 offensive line was a ****ing disaster my dude
     
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  20. AskQuestionsLater

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    Doubt it; doubly so in Terrell Edmunds case. For that matter, Justin Layne's continually improvement should speak volumes about how well both Teryl and Tom have done; James Pierre the same. Yes, Justin is still not to the finish line as a finished product but he is leaps and bounds better than some thought he could be thanks in part to COVID 19 removing Pre Season all together.



    Chase has benefited greatly from Ike in spite of Chase being a Senior from a powerhouse program like Notre Dame. Not just Chase either. JuJu has been far more physical than he ever has been since being a Steeler. Doubt too many Wide Receiver Coaches instill that level of toughness and grit into their corps.
     
  21. Jujubean

    Jujubean Well-Known Member

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    You are right that OLine wasn’t very good either I was thinking of 05. Still was probably better than this line though, it’s awful.
     
  22. steelersrule6

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    I didn't say he was better than Noll or Cowher, just stating facts :shrug:.
     
  23. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, Tomlin isn't a better coach, but the winning percentage is better deal with it.
     
  24. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Noll also had like 9 Hall Of Famers, and no free agency to deal with it.
     
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  25. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    And he will be in the hall of fame with along with Cowher, and Noll :shrug:.
     
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