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Josh Dobbs back with the Steelers

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelersfan43, Sep 6, 2020.

  1. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    Wow. How delusional do you have to be to think that Dobbs was somehow going to end the Patriots? Don't forget Finchtner was still running this offense.
     
  2. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I already posted that I would take Dobbs over Duck, hopefully he never plays in a meaningful game :shrug:. Dobbs is mobile, but his accuracy isn't good.
     
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  3. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Let us know when you would like to return from fantasy land and face reality. Dobbs made one pretty throw against the Ravens, then played like absolute garbage in his only extended time during a regular-seasn NFL game. He then lost a training-camp battle to Mason Rudolph. All he has done since then is hold a clipboard for a bad team in Jacksonville, then get beaten out for the backup job this season by a rookie they took in the sixth round. Every bit of evidence we have tells us that your scenario is pure fantasy with no real basis in reality.
     
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  4. Formerscribe

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    Rudolph beat him out for the job last season, then Dobbs couldn't beat out a rookie drafted in the sixth round with the Jaguars this season. Dobbs is a bad player who makes the occasional big play. That is pretty much what the Steelers got from both of their quarterbacks last season.
     
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  5. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    None of that is relevant. The fact is you don’t know how he would have done because unfortunately he wasn’t here.

    Based on what we did see on display, he would have been hard pressed to do worse.
     
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  7. Roonatic

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    All he has to do is replace Mason, not a unsurmountable task. Both will be gone in 2 years.
     
  8. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    I just hope him and Mason don't have a quarrel over their shared playmate hahahahaha
     
  9. Formerscribe

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    You were the one who made a claim about what he would have done. You claim that if the Steelers had kept him, he would have gotten them into the playoffs last year. The available evidence does not support your claim. The facts regarding Dobbs are absolutely relevant to that discussion. The available evidence is that Rudolph beat Dobbs out for the second-string job last season. That the Steelers were willing to trade Dobbs and go with Hodges is strong evidence they didn't think there was much difference between them. We also have what we saw the one time Dobbs has played more than a couple of meaningful snaps in a regular-season game. He played terribly against a bad Oakland team in a loss two seasons ago. Yes, he made one fantastic play against the Ravens that year. Hodges made a few spectacular plays last year. He just couldn't do it consistently enough, and he was exposed as he played more. That is pretty much what we saw from Dobbs in 2018, that he was exposed when asked to play more.

    The evidence I provided is relevant and it does not support your claim.
     
  10. HueyWorley

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    This doesn't move the needle much. For the season to be a success, the backup QBs need to stay on the bench, unless it's a meaningless game 16 when they've already clinched playoff position. Unlike other NFL teams who have competent backups who can step in and win a key game, I don't see that with the Steelers. From what I've seen of Dobbs, he's very shaky in the pocket. If he ever plays it will be lots of roll-outs and short passes...scaling back the playbook and playing not to lose.
     
  11. Formerscribe

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    He is there to replace Hodges, which is fine. He's got a little more experience, and the Steelers saw how easily a team can end up going with its third-string quarterback last season.
     
  12. Formerscribe

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    That would be the best-case scenario if Dobbs has to play meaningful snaps.

    The truth really isn't much different from what it was last year. If Roethlisberger goes down, the Steelers are screwed.
     
  13. Blast Furnace

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    It’s not relevant because you don’t know the thought process behind why the Jags cut him. They obviously felt he was good enough to surrender a 5tth rd pick for him. Which by the way, the Steelers felt he was good enough to make the team and only gave him up because the Jags came calling and then had to give Hodges the job again. They clearly were banking on Ben staying healthy and then if not, that Rudolph would be up for the job, he clearly wasn’t. Then they didn’t even benefit from that draft pick acquired for Dobbs because they gave it up for Vannett. They lost the draft pick and a player who could have done a better job had he still been here. Badly played by the Steelers all around.

    Bringing him back clearly indicates they feel he is better than Hodges who they cut for him last year too.

    You also cite Dobbs being cut as an indication that Rudolph was better yet you claim The Steelers would have won the Raiders game had Landry Jones still been there yet he was cut for Dobbs. You cannot claim Rudolph is better because he was kept over Dobbs while claiming Jones was better when Dobbs was kept over him.

    Nothing you have stated discredits my opinion that Dobbs would have done better, without him actually playing it’s impossible to know, hence my opinion he would have done better. He was certainly physically better equipped to play under those circumstances, his skill set matched better.
     
  14. Roonatic

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    Mason might be made of glass, that's why we see the 3rd stringer. Dobbs could have a chance.
     
  15. SDOT

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    Moves my needle
     
  16. SteelerNole

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    Think about that statement for a minute. FAILED to make the JAGS roster, and we took him back. We are so predictable.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

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  18. blackandgoldpatrol

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    Got a draft pick for him and then brought him back for free...... That's good business
     
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  19. Formerscribe

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    That they threw away the draft pick on the Vannett trade is not relevant. The Steelers didn't have to go with Hodges. They could have said no to the Jaguars' offer. Clearly, they felt there wasn't enough of a difference between Dobbs and Hodges to pass on the draft pick.

    You don't know that Dobbs would have done better. His resume to this point tells us that he would have struggled, too.

    Actually, yes I can make both claims in the part in bold, because I believe the Steelers made a mistake putting long-term value ahead of the best roster for 2018 when they cut Jones to keep Dobbs. Remember, Jones was going to be a free agent after that season. Given that they initially kept both Rudolph and Dobbs in 2019, it wasn't about the long term. It was about which guy won the No. 2 job, and that was Rudolph. My claims work just fine.

    Actually, everything I posted is evidence that works against your claim. The evidence available on Dobbs showed that he wasn't a viable No. 2 quarterback. He still isn't. I don't mind having him as the No. 3 ahead of Hodges, but that is a very low bar. You are welcome to your opinion, but all I am saying is the facts don't support it. Dobbs was a complete failure for the Jaguars. That they were willing to cut him with only a rookie they took in the sixth round as their No. 2 speaks volumes of what they think of him. That they did so less than a year after trading away a pick for him tells you just how little they think of Dobbs.
     
  20. YinzerBuckeye

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    I thank Hodges for doing the best he could in a lousy situation last year but it was time to move on. He just doesn't possess the physical tools to be an NFL QB.

    IMO, Dobbs isn't much of an improvement. He knows the playbook which is why the FO brought him back.

    What's the story on Paxton Lynch? Did everyone just miss on him?
     
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  21. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Very short lived although they brought him back practice squad.
     
  22. CK 13

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    Hopefully they saved his engraved clip board...
     
  23. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    All I know is mason and duck have more NFL game experience and wins then Josh has. Josh is not beating out mason for the number two spot anytime soon. Personally I would have looked at glennon over Dobbs but......:cool:
     
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  24. SteelersFanIrl

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    That’s true. Dobbs has 12 pass attempts at the NFL level iirc. I don’t expect him to surpass Mason as number two.

    I think they have decided that Duck is not a viable option at this level and Dobbs is purely an insurance policy in case the 1-2 QB’s end up injured again. All going well he won’t dress on game days.
     
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  25. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree. Glennon will probably never earn a long-term gig as an NFL starter, but he’s proven very capable of leading a team when the starter misses time.
     

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