Thread only for Tomlin detractors....

When I root for my teams I want to see them be the best. I don’t look at who has more than 1 besides BB. I look at BB....that’s what you should strive for....being the best. It’s not only about winning SBs. It’s about being a legitimate contender in that quest. 3-6 in the playoffs and even those wins being less than impressive to me isn’t being a legitimate contender. If anyone actually reads my posts they will “realize “ I’m not ranting and raving about firing Tomllin. My biggest gripe is and has been his coordinators. For a HC that relies as heavily on his coordinators as MT he should surround himself with better ones. That’s his responsibility. I’m quite positive guys would be crawling over each other for a chance here. Yet we get the KB,RF and DS of the world. Anyone who can’t see they’re subpar isn’t paying enough attention or are just happy with whatever joy they can get out of a season no matter the record. That’s not me....

Again I will ask the question to those of you who defend everything he does. When would it be acceptable to at least start to think about replacing MT? Would 2 more non playoff seasons do it or should he have a job for life because he’s a”good “ coach and no one besides BB has more than one? If any of the coaches with 1 gets another one...then is it time? Sometimes a change is needed and no it’s not knee jerk like many pretend it would be. We would be like such and such firing their coaches every couple years. That’s nonsense...

It’s hard to win blah,blah,blah I get it. How many more years of not winning is acceptable?

 

Not WHAT...WHO? You had AB, LB, IMO. I was like, "Who the hell is IMO?"

I know what it means.

 

Who?

 

Just to say one thing, as usual, to you... But, when you lose once to garbage, that can be forgiven, you lose twice, then you raise eyebrows, then 3 times, that's a pattern. IN THE PLAYOFFS, for heaven's sake. If you're not putting your best gameplan together for then, then when????? Above average coaches don't tend to create a pattern of losing to below average quarterbacks. That is a fact!

Name the only coach in NFL history to have lost to Tim Tebow and David Garrard and Blake Bortles in the playoffs?

Again, your turn, you find me a great coach that has 3 losses against 3 terrible quarterbacks and for 2 of those quarterbacks, that is their ONLY playoff win in their entire career.....

(I'm actually trying to help you so Dennis Green(Minnesota)is the only coach to lose to Steve Walsh...I'm trying to find more for you....)

If you think that we have a good coach, you absolutely don't watch football in a non-biased way. You see them through black and gold colored glasses, which is fine, but eventually you will see the Steelers turning into the Bengals as I've outlined before....

Again, complacency and feeling 'safe' is what leads to the downfall of most organizations, empires, relationships, etc, etc.

 

Flat out, should never happen. PERIOD, end of story. You don't lose to Tim Tebow in the playoffs if you're a coach worth your salt. Of course, you can make up for it by winning a couple Super Bowls. Or you could encore by losing to Blake Bortles. Lol SMH. Deja vu. Flat out, should NEVER happen. PERIOD, end of story. How you keep your job after losing to those 2, I'll never know. Totally unacceptable losses.

You think the Emperor or Darth Vader would allow any of their Admirals/Captains to lose to a bunch of scum Rebels in a winnable battle. It's like coming out of light speed too close to the Rebel Base....You just don't DO that..

 

Are you really Mr. T?

 

Players that make it into the pros are not garbage.

Tomlin's is an above average coach.

It's not how we view player's careers. It's how they perform on game day.

It's generally not about the game plan. It's how players execute the game plan. That is if you believe the coaching at the highest level is good. I believe the coaching at the highest level is generally the best.

So what? The Steelers loss to the Broncos, Jags, and Jags teams. It certainly didn't help that the Steelers hurt themselves, turned the ball over, and made mistakes in each of those losses. The undefeated Pats loss to a 9-7 Giants team in the Superbowl. That's sports.

I think it's a bit odd that you can't let go of losses that happened in 2007 and 2011.

The significant other that lives with you must be miserable. You: Oh remember in 2001 when you.................. Other: Why you still talking about that in 2020?

Yes the Steelers have a good coach as of today. They've had a good head coach the last 13 seasons. Anyone who doesn't realize that is clueless. He hasn't as good as BB (cheating). He's been as good as any of the other coaches in the league.

Complacency and feeling safe isn't what leads to the downfall of most. It's nature of sports that leads to the downfall of organizations. Not one organization can manage to stay on top forever.

 

That's fine. I agree that Tomlin is an above average coach barely, but not a good or great coach. If you concede he's above average, I'm ok with that. We don't have a good or great coach. You know why I know this? We haven't sniffed a super bowl. So the rest of your argument is not even applicable. Why are you happy we have an above average coach then? Don't you want a good or great coach?

Players that make it to the pros can be garbage, because of various reasons, lack of talent, work ethic, focus, whatever. There's nothing wrong with calling some players garbage. The reason I can say this is because Bill Parcells dumped garbage on the players in the locker room at halftime of one of his NY Giants games and told his team that they belonged with the garbage. They were allowing the lowly packers back into the game before halftime so at halftime, so he trolled them by dumping garbage on the players and boom they killed them after the half to win home field through the playoffs. How important is that? Do you see what a coach can do? Sooooo, if Tomlin can't get his team to beat Tim Tebow, that to me says alot.

The problem that I infer from your messages is that you don't watch enough football or take the time to watch the history of football to know what good coaches can do or great coaches can do. You just watch the Steelers with black and gold glasses and sit on your couch and think this is the best we're gonna get so let's be happy with it. You actually have to do work as a fan to learn about the game and how other teams won super bowls and how other teams collapse. History teaches everyone alot about life.

Again, the only thing you know is how to be narrow-minded, therefore you cannot ever win an argument with someone that is narrow-minded.

Watch America's game, watch Missing Rings, watch A football life, watch something outside the box of Mike Tomlin. Then you'll see what great teams do and great players do. You'll absolutely see that Mike Tomlin is really a ho-hum coach. Just try it....

As Marv Levy would say to Bills fans that said they don't want the Bills to get to another Super Bowl (because they'd lose again), he'd say I don't want you on my team...
and if you're just saying "it's a nature of sports that leads to the downfall of organizations....."...then you're not actually a good Steelers fan when you're resigned to that thinking....That's an excuse. But the thing is what's the downfall in the last 9 years....The Steelers couldn't even get on TOP. Lol With all that talent there's nothing to "downfall"....

Like I said, Watch some old games of different teams (I know you're excuse is I don't have time), watch some great players (oh, they were just born that way and it's luck), watch some great coaches (besides Tomlin, Lol) and then come back to me about it means to be great, good, average....

You just don't know and I can't you blame you for it. You're just an average fan satisfied with an average 8-8 team. It fits your life.

 

Tomlin proved he is a good coach. His story is still being written. Greatness might be several years down the road or not at all. I really don't know. It's his story.

I recognize that he is a good coach. He is a good enough coach to help this team win a lot of games, make the playoffs 8 out of 13 years, and make it to two SBs. I think coaches need to be slightly better than above average to attain that kind of success in the NFL. The odds are against another coach having that kind of success with the Steelers.

Any time teams make the playoffs they sniff the SB. You don't need to agree but that's what I believe. I realize how hard it is just to win games. It's even more difficult to make the playoffs. Maybe you don't have appreciation of what it takes?

You don't make it to the NFL if you are garbage. Players that make it into the NFL can play. They wouldn't be considered for the NFL if they couldn't play.

I'd have a different mentality as a coach than I do as a fan. Can you distinguish the difference?

I can analyze the reasons why the team finished 8-8. I can be satisfied that the issues were beyond the coaches and organizations control. Maybe you can't and it's just easier to say it's all on Tomlin?

 

It would be acceptable to replace him when his contract is up after the 2021 season .

 

And you as well unless you enjoy watching losers as a Steelers fan??

 

Are you really this clueless?

 

When was the last time they had a losing record genius?

 

Wow. You call people clueless than Come on here beating your chest over 8-8 seasons. Wake up little buddy!

 

I just don’t see how anybody can be that upset with Tomlin for the 2019 season. If anything he made a stronger case for himself.

 

What did you really expect out of this team after the injuries two key positions that we had?

 

In a bubble last season he probably did an adequate job going 8-8. Last 9 years with the talent we had getting 3 playoff wins total. Yeah Glenn that’s the problem.

 

Nobody is celebrating a 8-8 season , most people thought they were headed for a top 10 pick after Ben got injured.

 

You are a clown hit the road son

 

And what about the players, are they responsible at all for underachieving?

 

Worst part of this decade is everything has hit a head and boiled over. This regime has turned Steelers fans against each other. Stepping back and looking at it from a birds eye view that really sucks. We all want the same thing ultimately.

 

Hey I said before that I’m ready to move on from Tomlin. I also recognize that he’s a really good coach and that sometimes no matter how good you are a change is needed.

The facts are I can’t do anything about it. The Steelers will make a change when they feel the changes needed. I’m sure it’s coming within the next year or two.
The problem around here is a certain handful of people can’t stop posting the same nonsense over and over and over.

 

I know right it’s crazy. Some of the same people who were saying we will be lucky to win two or three games are now mad that we didn’t make the playoffs.
Some of these people are really irrational.

 

Translation: You got me there and I can’t think of a good response.

 

Some people don't know how to place a situation in the proper perspective. Or maybe they are just trolls?