Thread only for Tomlin detractors....

No one is changing anyone else's mind about our coaching situation. People will believe what they want to believe. However, I am curious to know what the split is on this board about MT as it seems fairly equal.

 

Quote from the link: So while Cowher certainly deserves his Hall of Fame bid, so will Tomlin when that time comes -- though you wouldn't know it from the screaming for his head that goes on in Steelers Nation.

I guess this answers the question the OP posed regarding what people are thinking in the Pittsburgh area?.

 

Tomlin is an average coach at best. Remember, colts coach who almost went undefeated with Payton and went winless with Detroit? That coach might be where Tomlin is. Tomlin has been fortunate to have incredible talented teams, and that credit goes to Colbert. However there is no one else coaching for this long who has done less with the talent given to him. If Tomlin got his gig with Detroit or Cleveland, he wouldn’t last more than two seasons.

 

Love/hate.....good coach/bad coach.....is there anyone who thinks he deserves to be retained if we miss out on the playoffs again in the next year or two? It seems some guys here feel he deserves a lifetime contract.

 

Keep scrolling then

 

As much as I hate his smug grin, I think it is fair to say Harbaugh is a better head coach than Tomlin.

 

Hate is a strong word but the corners on this board are usually labeled the haters vs. the apologists.
I am not a big fan of Tomlin myself but his record speaks for itself. 2nd best coach the last decade behind the cheater. I think he is stale for Pittsburgh, need a new direction but won't/shouldn't happen before Ben hangs it up. I believe he will go when Ben goes, retiring or told to retire. I can't count Ben out of a SB run so Tomlin could still see another SB.
So basically I'm ready for Popcorn to go but find it amusing to give him credit where he deserves it in the bash Tomlin threads.

 

If they miss the playoffs next year, pull the rug out from underneath Tomlin & Ben. Can both & start the rebuild a year early.

 

That isn’t exactly saying anything. You’re talking about two teams with a culture of losing. You hire a new coach it takes time to assemble players that fit what you’re trying to do and actually buy in. There are no quick fixes. Looking for them is a fools errand.


One of the major problems with the browns is ownership. They want instant gratification and it simply doesn’t work that way. They hire a new coach give him a season or two for right the ship and then jettison the coach when there aren’t immediate results. The. They bring in someone else that has to start the whole project over again. Wash, rinse, repeat

 

Ummm... I don't recall ever calling any Steelers fans jackasses

And the coaches I mentioned actually INCREASE the chances of their teams winning throughout the game? Sure didn't look like that was the case concerning John Harbaugh or Sean Payton this past weekend. Harbaugh got his butt kicked by the Titans! And in the first Steelers/Ravens game (yes I do watch Steelers games) the Steelers would have one that game if not for the JuJu fumble.

Have you ever noticed that Sean Payton and Mike Tomlin are very close in record, Tomlin's might be a tad better. And don't give me this crap of Payton having no-name talent - his teams a stocked! And yet he only has one SB and to go 13-3 two years in a row and have nothing to show for it and not have anyone calling for his head is amazing to me. I guess he must be a good coach.

And guess what - so is Tomlin!

Feel free to insult me all you like but it won't change my "opinion" as I'm well assure I won't change yours

 

That's the frustrating part. This team could do so much better with the right coach with attention to details. But the Rooney's are so stuck on this self imposed rule of theirs to never oust a head coach. And then you have the people that say well they have 6 SB's because they've only had 3 coaches in 50 years. That is so arbitrary and superstitious nonsense. It's like saying because I didn't change my socks, I won the lottery.

 

Oh look, right on cue, another @steelersrule6 look at me defending Tomlin post

 

With the pending 17 game schedule .500 records won’t be as easy to come by .....without a tie....

 

And you let you clowns have all the fun, nah .

 

And your daily whining about the HC in every thread isn't going to change a damn thing, so deal with it .

 

Hmm, my idea of fun sounds very different than yours. But, whatevs bruh.

 

Hey Tiggs99.

Never chatted with you before. Good to talk with you.

I read through this thread basically knowing what the posts were going to be like. Some sensical and some emotional. Your response is by far and wide, up to this point, the most well-thought out for the simple fact of your quote: "However there is no one else coaching for this long who has done less with the talent given to him". This is factual not emotional and that is what I respect about it.

I admit, I was on board with Tomlin when he was hired. Although I did want to retain Cowher. I stuck by him for about the first five years or so of his tenure. Given that, the best coaching move that he made, IMO, was not of the "X" or "O" variety. Rather, when he suspended Santonio Holmes for the Giants regular season game the year we won Super Bowl XLIII. This was due to some behavior "detrimental" to the team the week leading up to the game.

I believe it had to do with Holmes being arrested for something such as weed or disorderly conduct or both. That took guts; when most coaches would have said something along the lines of: "Well, we will let the process (both judicial and/or the NFL's) play itself out". This is done to buy time for said player to not have a break in his services. Tomlin took matters into his own hands and suspended Holmes for that game with no "ifs", "ands" or "buts". I really respected him for that. What even magnified the respect of that "coaching" move was the irony of Holmes making that phenomenal TD catch and helping us to win the Championship.

However, as time passed, and Cowher's players started to move on from the Steelers, it became evident that we did not have a "X" and "O" type coach. Yes, he never has had a losing season as some want to point too when these types of threads/posts arise. Nevertheless, it is about championships and back to your original quote: "However there is no one else coaching for this long who has done less with the talent given to him" resonates the "truth". For that, I am in 100% agreement with you. Given the talent pool that we have had over the years under Tomlin, we should definitely have had several more rings but we do not. For that, I have soured on the man. Not as a human being but as a coach. He had his time here and now it is time for him to move on. Take care.


STEELWINDS AKA The East Side Kid

 

Right back atcha, babe.

...or...

Pot, meet kettle. You're both black.

 

More important then his record to me is how and who he is losing to. Jets and Browns losses are devastating. Losing to NE is the standard yes but by such a large margin ? Too be 1-4 and bring your team back to 8-5 and then take a dump shows inability to coach consistently. This is what people
should be more concerned about... Winning records are all fine and good and I would still prefer the record of the Steelers then being a browns fan but the standard to use a tomlinisim is not a good standard and certainly not the Steeler organization that we were accustom to. How to right this ship is beyond me. I am just a fan and by no means could I actually do anything if the job and fate of this team was in my hands.

 

How do you explain Green Bay this year?

 

Does gb have a culture of losing? Is the situation there the anomaly or the norm?

 

other than pats most teams are lucky to get there once or twice and maybe win one. We are in that pool

 

We were in that pool.