Marino - Gabe Rivera Edmunds - Lamar Jackson

I remember the Steelers passing on Marion to take a defensive tackle. Rivera never had a chance to develop fully but it is obvious that he would not have had the impact on the Steelers Marino would have had. Steelers passed on Jackson and took Edwards another 1st round pick on D. I may be a tad drunk right now so maybe I'm seeing things that aren't there. But it looks like to me we got shorted on this deal yet again. Who knows though maybe our coaching staff ruins Jackson for life.

 

Gabe Rivera was a BEAST!!!! He would have been a HOFer if not for that car wreck!!! Marino was good but No-One saw him being what he became!!!

Cajun

 

I don’t know about seeing things that aren’t there but you sure have a few letters out of place...

 

yeah I rarly drink to much but I think I did a bit more tonight than i needeed to

 

Lamar Jackson under Randy Fichtner is like placing Minkah Fitzpatrick under Brian Flores. It would amount to nothing as Randy did not even trust Mason up until Cleveland it seemed. How would he ever trust someone as so foreign to his own philosophy like Lamar?!?!

 

Need has nothing to do with it

 

Regarding Edmunds, let him develop. I really am running out of ways to say this. That said, here is a better form of context; Bud Dupree.


Even when not injured, people wanted him gone. Now, people want him to stay. Who's to say Terrell will improve like Bud did?! Only time will tell.

 

We should not have waited 5 years for Bud to get his **** together. That’s not exactly a good analogy.

 

The difference is Dupree was a consensus first-round talent and he has shown flashes of big-play ability before this season. Neither is true of Edmunds. His instincts as the ball arrives are terrible. He often just throws his arms up and runs through the receiver when all he really has to do is turn around and make a play on the ball. Unless he somehow improves in that area, the big plays aren't coming. Most likely, his upside is serviceable starter, which is less than what you want from a first-round pick. If he was taken in the second or third round, I'd bet we would all end up happy with him.

The OP isn't really fair. I don't remember anybody here clamoring for Jackson before that draft. If somebody did, please correct me about that.

 

Every team in the league passed on Jackson. 4 QB's were selected before Jackson. I don't think Jackson will hold up long term if the Ravens continue to use him as a runner.

 

am, I the op? I didn't day anone was clamoring for jackson. The comparison between the two just sort of struck me between two Mad Elf's. That's my srtory and I'm sticking to it.

 

You are correct sir!! It was more of being happy that Mad Elf was finally available again this year. I stand convicted!!!

 

When I said better context regarding, I did not explicitly state it was a good thing. All I am stating was it takes time for some and others not so much. Terrell might time just as much time to develop. Who knows?!


For that matter, from 2015 onward, what type of players have the Steelers drafted?! Athletes with high upside. T.J. Watt and Devin Bush are outliers thus far. Burns is well..... done for and the jury is still out on Terrell.

 

Again, we cannot throw Terrell to the proverbial "Draft Graveyard" just yet. For all we know, he is still adjusting to the finer points of playing as a Strong Safety. Time is needed here.



I would not be surprised if Mike Tomlin states something in regards to Terrell next season as that would be a more appropriate time to see how much he has grown. Adding up his final year at Virgina Tech, he only has three years of experience at Strong Safety. Who knows how his development goes from here on out?!

 

That's some Championship style drinking right there.

 

I've heard that story and the rumors of Marino having a drug problem when he was at Pitt. I'm not sure I buy either of them, but I think the story you just brought up is the more likely of the two. Either way, it was a mistake. That said, we have no idea what Rivera would have done.

 

Jackson sure is tearing it up. Ravens did it right, invested in linemen, landed some good wideouts in the draft, they have good TE’s made a good free agent sighting in Ingram.

Right now to me they are better than the Patriots.

Some how Cleveland beat them, and we should of beat them.

But how will Jackson hold up over time?
You got to be more Russell Wilson than Cam Newton, and Mike Vick.
Eventually an injury will happen with the running.

 

Lamar may not look as good as he does if he's not put on a team that is COMPLETELY building around the dude. Ravens is his ideal destination because Harbaugh was willing to go all in on him

 

Definitely, our coaches would've ruin jackson

 

There was an article a few years ago that highlighted the various discussions and reason they went with Rivera. One was the rumored drug use of Dan (unfounded), that the Steelers never really investigated even though people on staff knew the family quite well. Another was what you mentioned. They had young QB's and on the last real rebuild went defense. Rivera was really starting to come along, but come on they saw Marino play for all those years at Pitt..and you choose Stoudt and Malone over him????

 

Baltimore took two pass overs by the Steelers ... Jackson and M. Brown

 

I followed Rivera intently and believe he may have had as much talent for dominance as Joe Greene. I think apple to apples, Marino long run would have been better for the team.

 

I would buy that excuse if Terrell showed any football instinct at all (safety or otherwise), but he doesn't. Just because he's playing an 'unfamiliar position' doesn't mean he shouldn't have ball awareness (for example), he rarely does.
The Steelers weren't in a position to draft a multi-year project when and where the took him, it was a mistake.(imo)

 

Very well put. These are my two biggest issues with Edmunds, even ahead of my opinion that they reached to take him too early. It was not the time to be drafting a project and his ball skills are terrible. You raise a good point, that playing an unfamiliar position shouldn't keep him from playing the ball properly.