Mason era should be over

Omg both of you lol.

 

The college resume absolutely matters when you are judging guys with a limited pro resume, but that is far from the only evidence I provided. The best part is you claiming something is irrelevant, then arguing about it.

Of course, you complain that I'm only repeating my opinion, then respond with "blah, blah, irrelevant" when I bury your point in facts.

Where do you get this idea that I'm bent out of shape? You are the one who made this discussion personal, not me. I'm just making my point and I'm the one doing it without resorting to ad hominem attacks.

 

What I want is to have a reasonable discussion of a relevant point without it devolving into personal attacks. What you seem to want is to be able to write anything you want about the greatness of Joshua Dobbs without anybody challenging your point. If that's unfair, I apologize. That's just my takeaway from this post and this entire discussion.

 

Went away from this thread for a couple days, but I see the master-debater is still at it. Give it a rest FFS.

 

It really is amazing that anybody can have no doubt about something even though that opinion runs counter to almost all of the available evidence.

 

I'm also not sure I get the people pushing for Lynch to get a shot. He wasn't good with the Broncos and he hasn't thrown a pass in a game since 2017. Is it just pure desperation because Rudolph played horribly under horrible circumstances?

The time to go to Hodges was halftime in Cleveland. With lousy protection, Conner out of the game and the receiving corps dwindling, Rudolph was having a terrible night. Maybe Hodges could have given them a spark the same way he did against the Ravens. That was worth a shot. Once they made a decision to stick with Rudolph through all that awfulness, it seemed as if they weren't going to let one game change their minds on the quarterback situation.

 

Paxton Lynch 'had' a good arm, but that's about it. I can't imagine his game improved by not playing.

I don't agree with pulling the starter at halftime of a 2 score game, unless there's a QB competition going on.

 

That is fair. Hodges had shown an ability to provide a spark coming off the bench, though sometimes that can be a defense being slow to adjust to a change. I just thought it was clear that Rudolph didn't have it Thursday night.

 

Sort of confirms what many of us see.

https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/...lers-stats-struggles-quarterback-analysis-hh/

As always, TIFWIW.

 

Mason had a rough second half, but he was able to pull the score within a touchdown late in the 3rd (with flag help). At that point they had to go with him (imo), but pulling him late in the 4th would have avoided the mess at the end.

 

That pretty much covers the bases. Can't argue with any of that. Not real promising outlook for the Steelers at QB because what they have behind Rudolph is behind him for a reason. Which means that they all suck, my opinion.

 

You really want to have a laugh go back to the DOBBS TRADED thread and read how many were high on Mason and were fine with Dobbs being traded. You may even find a comment saying he is our future.........but here we are talking about Dobbs being better. Time to move on let's worry about the Bungals and not a player no longer here. jmo

 

I just don't know how anyone can fairly evaluate Rudolph given the train wreck that is the rest of the offense.

 

Who? ....lol

 

How dare you bring logic and reason to this discussion!

Don't you know that Dobbs would be competing for league MVP in this offense! Hodges and Lynch would be bound for the Pro Bowl at least!

 

You can't evaluate his performance as it relates to the performance of the offense as a whole.

But you can evaluate him based on his 4 years of college. He performed at the highest level in college. He was the best senior qb in all of college two years ago. His teammate then and now was the best receiver in college his senior year as well. Those things don't happen if he can't throw accurately. Those things also don't happen if he doesn't have the arm strength and touch to throw the deep ball.

He isn't performing up to the standards he set and demonstrated during college. Those standards were more than enough for fans to feel excited about him being drafted. At that point, he had proven the ability to do the things necessary to compete at this level. Reading defenses and tuning in to receivers can come in time, but bringing the skillset that got you drafted in the first place can't be waited on, regardless of the trainwreck offense surrounding him.​

 

Man did you get the ball rolling about our QB situation with this thread 500 plus replies and depending how last 6 games play out (not counting playoffs) this baby could stay on first page.

 

This is a good post. I haven't been on here in a while. I'm a bit surprised more aren't carrying the Mason pitch forks.

Mason is showing very limited ability to throw anything more than dump offs to the running back on many occasions. Sad to say I picked up Jaylen Samuels of all people for my fantasy league for the simple fact I know the guy is having a billion balls coming his way.

Why?

Is it because Fichtner is designing running back as the primary option? No. So Mason is CHOOSING to throw to the checkdown. Does our WR core suck so bad no one ever gets open?

Or is Mason simply missing the read? Is the game too fast for him?

He is still is very young playing in this league, but sadly this performance is largely on him. I'm not throwing pitchforks or saying he can't play in this league.

He just looks very green. He as well as Washington look to have zero confidence. Both looked like all stars in little league but are struggling with the big league.

We'll see I'm optomistic. Is Mason the future at QB? Maybe or maybe not. I'd draft another QB high and let them duke it out. He certainly isn't presenting himself right now as the solution at QB.

 

You attacked me repeatedly and you think that was fine. I make one joke using green font and you falsely claim that is evidence I wasn’t engaging in good faith? That is some serious

I don’t know how anybody could read that post of mine and think I was being serious.

I argued the topic every step of the way.

It is funny how many if the folks complaining about the lack of an experienced backup now are the same ones who insited the team should dump its veteran backup for a guy who hadn’t played last season.

 

Yes you did and you also said Mason out performed Dobbs in pre season, but how can you say you know for certain Dobbs would be doing better now if you said these other two things? I felt just like you did and even agreed with you earlier in this thread but after seeing others points and thinking about it I am not ready to sit Mason. Take a look at this offense Mason is getting zero help....zero. The dropped passes are horrible and 2 of his first 4 int's were balls right in hands of the wr's(juju & DJ). Not to mention the fact that Fitch stinks. Did Mason have a bad game heck yeah but everyone has them, Ben threw 5 picks and talked about retirement.

All I am saying is if Mason is thought to be a future QB for us then he needs all the playing time he can get this year so the Steelers can evaluate their next move. Ben is at the end and may not come back from this injury so we need to know if Mason has it or if we need to draft another prospect. I think we are being a little hard on Mason with what he has around him, Holton and Jones are hardly household names.

FYI here is what you said about him: