Mason era should be over

Again, to the both of you. I am by no means defending Mason's performance on Thursday at all. For that matter, not once have I said Mason has been flawless up to this point. Some of those passes that turned into INTs were god awful. Some of those passes that were not doubly so. It has been quite the learning experience for him as he is still a rookie.



All I am stating is that these games happen for everyone. In addition, I myself will not be opposed to benching him should his performance continue against Cincy. That said, we will have to hear before Thursdsy if that is going to be the case as Paxton Lynch being called up could imply that might just happen.

 

Was watching mason highlights from preseason again. Looked decisive, he was rolling out of the pocket and was hitting bombs. Still had some wtf throws though.

his football looks very slow compared to bens on screen

 

I think he’s trying too hard and it’s mental right now

 

They also had twice or three times as many great games as they did these awful games.

I'm still waiting for the first MR game that I wasn't pulling my hair out the whole game. I realize he's had limited starts but has there been one that wasn't one of the most frustrating games you've ever seen?

Every game is pure agony, win or lose.

 

Dump off
Wtf throw
Dump off
Tipped pass
Long ball 5 yards off
Short pass that WR had to stretch out
Dump off
Safety
Beautiful pass
Int
Lol

just want to say I bash everyone but yes I feel mason will do better vs cincy... I hope

 

Maybe the hits are taking a toll on Mason. He seems to becoming less effective and worse every week.

 

Considering that everyone does better against Cinncy, you may have called it right there Nostradamus.

 

Dobbs regressed in that third preseason while Rudolph improved significantly in his second.

Much of this is subjective. The only factual error was the claim that Rudolph came in after in the preseason games. Rudolph started one and preceded Dobbs in another.

Your entire claim is based on guesswork. You are the one claiming that we haven’t seen enough of Dobbs in the regular season to form any kind of judgment.

 

Chris Simms just blasted MR on ProFootball Talk.

Picked him as his second goat of the week. Called the interceptions "egregious", said his pass into a "mosh pit" of Brown defenders got JuJu concussed, said winning with Rudolph starting is "unsustainable". Called for a QB change.

TIFWIW.

 

Chris Simms would know all about throwing egregious interceptions.

Rudolph should have been pulled at halftime Thursday. Then you go back to him unless Hodges does something truly special. If they were going to stick with Rudolph all through that atrocity, they aren't going to make a switch now.

 

I actually backed that opinion with facts, such as his track record in previous appearances with the Steelers. You are backing your opinion with nothing but more opinion.

 

I offered an opinion backed by facts. You offered an opinion backed by more opinion. No, you haven't backed up your opinion with more than I have. Restating your same opinion over and over again does not quality as backing it up with more.

Under similar circumstances, in preseason games, Rudolph has been far more accurate than Dobbs. That is the apples-to-apples comparison. The rest is you relying on opinion or misrepresentation of the facts.

Edited to keep the focus where it belongs.

 

Mason Rudolph's career completion percentage in the NFL is 62.3 percent. That is all this season, without Antonio Brown and with an offensive line that everybody seems to say isn't playing as well as it did last year.

Joshua Dobbs's career completion percentage in the NFL is 50.0 percent. That is all last season, when he had Antonio Brown leading a superior receiving corps and the offensive line was playing better.

We could focus on preseason numbers from this year, when both were given similar opportunities, but I don't think Blast would like how those numbers turn out for his side of the discussion.

Do I dismiss the notion that Dobbs's athletic ability might help? Of course not, but the available evidence shows that Rudolph is far superior as a passer based on what both showed in college, in the preseason as pros and in the regular season as pros. Based on that evidence, the passing game would be even worse with Dobbs at quarterback.

If anybody thinks defenses are cheating up now, imagine how much they could do that with an even worse passing game.

 

Bradshaw's completion percentage was 38.1% in his first season. Imagine if there was an internet then.

 

The Steelers should have kept Dobbs, but used him as a receiver. Problems solved.

 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/pitts...n=2019&week=300&category=PASSING&opp=0&page=1

Here is a link to the Steelers' 2019 preseason statistics. This is the best apples-to-apples comparison of Rudolph and Dobbs.

Rudolph completed 65.1% of his passes, 28 of 43, for 368 yards, four touchdowns and one interception. He averaged 8.6 yards per attempt and had a QBR of 113.3.

Dobbs completed 54.5% of his passes, 18 of 33, for 280 yards, 0 touchdowns and two interceptions. He averaged 8.5 yards per attempt and had a QBR of 57.6.

Sure, based on that they only went with Rudolph because he is supposed to be the guy.

 

I acknowledged his athleticism. It is your opinion that his athleticism somehow makes up for him being far worse as a passer. Apparently, you forgot the lessons of watching Dennis Dixon. By the way, like Rudolph, Dixon was a much better college quarterback than Dobbs, Think about how that worked out. Perhaps that is where you should apply your common sense.

Every shred of evidence points to Dobbs being worse as a passer than Rudolph and it isn't close. So maybe he could rip off a decent run or two at the expense of the passing game. Everything we've seen of Dobbs is that he is less accurate than Rudolph and more turnover-prone. We saw that act last year against the Raiders. How did that work out again?

Let's be clear here. I went back and found even more statistical data to support my side. I responded to your opinion with facts, not just restating the same opinion over again. You keep trying to drag this into another discussion, allowing Dobbs to be No. 2 and fail in his only extended playing time last season. Perhaps you should try sticking to this discussion. In this discussion, you stated that Rudolph followed Dobbs the entire preseason, which was inaccurate. Rudolph started one preseason game and he entered the one Roethlisberger started ahead of Dobbs.

When you compare their regular-season statistics, Rudolph is better. When you look at completion percentage, he is more accurate. When you compare their work this preseason, Rudolph clearly comes out on top again. The evidence works strongly against your claim that Dobbs is more accurate than Rudolph. This isn't to say that Rudolph's accuracy is good. It isn't, but the evidence points to Dobbs being even worse.

You also claimed that the team was pushing Rudolph as the guy and that's the only reason he got the No. 2 job. The preseason numbers, compiled while both saw time against starters and backups, clearly shows that isn't the case. Rudolph was much better than Dobbs this preseason.

Let's address the other point, your claim that the Steelers made a mistake in not keeping Dobbs. At no point has Dobbs shown he can be an NFL starter. Perhaps having him as an option right now would be a good thing, but that assumes the Steelers knew they would lose Roethlisberger for the season. Do you really think they knew the elbow injury was going to get that bad when they traded Dobbs? Or were they supposed to be clairvoyant and see the injury coming? Did you even argue against the Dobbs trade when they made it? I honestly don't remember what you said about it at the time, if anything. I asked once, but if you responded, I missed it.

 

Wow! You've gotta REALLY suck if Chris Simms calls you bad!