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Mason era should be over

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelers304, Nov 10, 2019.

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  1. groutbrook

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  2. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but I’ve seen worse throws from veteran QBs . He had a bad game. His OL gave him no help at all. Give him the rest of the season before we start completely writing him off.
     
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  3. groutbrook

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    I've seen worse throws from veteran QBs who are on this roster.:sneak:
     
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  4. KMM

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    While it seems he's been pressured a lot, his sack % rate says otherwise. He is 8th in the league in lowest sack %. The playcalling is a big part of that, but the O-line has been OK. It seems bad to us, because it has taken a step back compared to previous years. Ben's sack % the last 3 years has been 3.2%, 3.6%, and 3.4%. MR's this year is 5.0% which is better than average, but not stellar as in previous years with the Steelers. (Of course, we don't know how much of that increase is due to MR not getting rid of the ball soon enough.) Just to put this in perspective Tennessee's two starting QB's this year, Mariota and Tannehill are both last in the league in sack% at 13.6% and 11.1%.

    The point is he's not taking an inordinate amount of punishment compared to the rest of the league.
     
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  5. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    That's the thing I think many of us are not completely writting him off we just think he needs a step back. However maybe with the Bungals up next that could be what the doctor ordered. All I know is if Mason is gonna get better he needs help....from players and coaches.
     
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  6. Blast Furnace

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    Not realistic because you say so? Was it realistic that they’d get to 5-4?

    Not sure how Tomlin got me, I’m not one of his defenders. I see a team that positioned themselves into a playoff race and shouldn’t continue to trot out a QB that is completely overmatched if they have any aspirations of getting a wild card.

    But don’t worry, looks like you and others will get your wish of seeing the **** show we saw last week continue, doesn’t appear the Steelers have any interest in making a change.
     
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  7. Brandon556211

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    That’s fine. But where’s the good? It’s not a bad drive or a bad game. It’s a bad career so far.
     
  8. MeanJoeBlue

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    The team is missing their starting QB, starting RB, starting FB, 2 of their top WRs (3 if you include that AB was on the roster last year), and one of their top DL. :blackeye:
    The team should be 2-8.
    They are 5-5.

    Doesn't that suggest good coaching? :grin: (starts dodging the rotten vegetables being thrown)
     
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  9. CK 13

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    So is his shaver...
     
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  10. STEELWINDS

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    Hey KMM.

    This is what I have been saying in defense of the O-Line. Up until the Thursday night debacle, Mason has been kept upright very well.


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  11. thesteeldeal

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    That statistic doesn’t really tell us much. Pressures don’t always equate to sacks. I’m sure the play calling helps but how many times did he throw the ball away to avoid a sack? He could of gotten rid of it as many times as he held onto it. Someone would have to go back and watch every play he was pressured and see how it was handled. Thursday he was under constant pressure and no running game to slow them down. Off the top of my head and admittedly my memory isn’t that great but it seems to me he’s been under quite a bit of pressure in most games.
     
  12. STEELWINDS

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    Hey NY.

    You, like I have been saying, minus the clunker on Thursday night. Under Mason, the Steelers have done a "good" job. Not earth-shattering but good. He kept the four-game win streak alive. Made few errors. I will not post all of his stats again during that four game win streak. However, they are good with a PR rating of about 94.

    What are alternatives right now folks. Duck? Bring in a so-called veteran? I do not think so. Nothing against Duck but Mason is building chemistry and the administration has to choose a QB for the rest of the season, and they have in Mason. This is the typical knee-jerk reaction of some after a loss. The doctor's orders are a win right now. If that is at the expense of the Bengals then so be it. We need to get over this Thursday night bump in the road as soon as the play clock hit 0:00.


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  13. KMM

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    It may not equate, but there is surely a correlation.

    And of course it seems like he's been under quite a bit of pressure because a) he isn't good under it and b) he's been under pressure more than Ben. We don't see the rest of the league on a regular basis, so it's difficult for us to put it in context without the stats. And guess what, he's not the only QB to get rid of the ball under pressure rather than take a sack.

    BTW, Football Outsiders has the Steelers Oline as the best pass blocking unit in the NFL based on adjusted sack rate which takes things as down and distance into account.
    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019

    TIFWIW.
     
  14. bigbenhotness

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    And with Thursday’s game mason looks worse than Landry Jones lol

    12 tds 8 picks, 6.3 avg, 82 rating and 4 fumbles.


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  15. thesteeldeal

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    The part I agree on is the play calling and or the decision making. He’s been the king of the check down and that is the most significant thing affecting the pressure/ sack correlation. I don’t know I watch quite a bit of NFL football and our OL looked like the Jets on Thursday night whom I consider one of the leagues worst. Our OL has been on skates most of the year. That’s my eye test. I don’t put much stock in fancy statistics and I rarely agree with PFF and all those other analytic sports sites. That’s just me. I don’t believe stats tell the whole story...
     
  16. thesteeldeal

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    Mor..;)
     
  17. Blast Furnace

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    It’s not a knee jerk reaction and it’s not just the Cleveland loss. They didn’t generate any offense against the Rams either.

    Rudolph is regressing, he looked better when he first took over for Ben. Reason for that is because teams are getting film on him now and giving him looks he can’t process.

    I don’t expect any better performance against a cupcake matchup next week. In fact I would not be surprised if Cincy gets their first win but our defense could step up again, they had an off game Thursday. I could see a repeat of the Rams game with hopefully the same outcome.
     
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  18. groutbrook

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    He got you because you're not a Tomlin defender. You're buying back into thinking he has what it takes to make a playoff run with this team. I don't think any coach could do it with the current roster. He couldn't do it (in recent years) when he had the talent, now he barely has enough players to fill the roster. Johnny Holton to the rescue?
    I'll never understand how my opinion means I want to see a sh!t show. I don't think anyone would pay as much attention to the Steelers as I have for all these years if I wanted them to lose. I'm calling it like I see it, that's all.
    If you see a 'playoff run' team here, with any of the 3 current QB options, I envy you.
     
  19. bigbenhotness

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    What’s mor lol
     
  20. KnoxVegasSteel

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    ...on ?
     
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  21. thesteeldeal

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    Conner may have cost them a game. JUJU may have cost them a game. So maybe if we win those 2 games people aren’t so upset with MR for having a bad game. We could easily be sitting at 6-4 and people wouldn’t be panicking about the playoffs. They would simply chalk it up to a losing performance by MR just like the aforementioned. Now is not the time to play around with the QB position especially with so many other issues. Now we need consistency and continuity not revolving QBS.
     
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  22. thesteeldeal

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    I didn’t say it :smiley1:. Do you remember the post yesterday ? That if anyone says .....is a moron....I’m joking of course...
     
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  23. STEELWINDS

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    Hey Blast.

    Yes, as the film builds up on Mason his job becomes more difficult. On the other hand, our coaches need to do their counter-job as well. It is a chess-match at its finest. A battle of the minds.


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  24. Blast Furnace

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    This Tomlin talking point is silly, moving to the rest.

    Bottom line, the team has positioned itself into a playoff race regardless of your feelings on how far they can go and they should maximize their chances of success. I don’t think that is with Rudolph and I really don’t care about his development at this point.
     
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  25. thesteeldeal

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    Problem is our answer will probably be the Wildcat.....again
     
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