Mason Rudolph = Joe Flacco?

Ask JUJU when the ball was almost lodged in his face mask. Is his arm a cannon? No. He has enough of a arm to make the throws especially in rhythm and on time. He has quite a few young WRs he needs to build trust and timing with. Guys it’s 2 1/2 games....

 

Alex Smith? Alex Smith threw the ball more than 10 yards twice in his career. One of the pussiest QB's at the quarterback position ever. Rudolph plays nothing like Alex Smith and nothing like Joe Flacco. Right now, he plays like Mason Rudolph. We have no clue what he will be but I do know this, he can play Quarterback in the NFL and that is huge for the Steelers for the future.

 

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and like that and like this and a......ooops sorry thought this was the Snoop thread....imma head out....

 

Yes, he has.
Over the last 3 years Ben has led the league in passes thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage.

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/07/roethlisberger-leads-league-in-passes-thrown-at-behind-the-los/

 

You're correct. I pulled back from that statement earlier in this thread. I don't watch the SB unless the Steelers are in it or NE is getting blasted (how did that work out for me?). I didn't realize that Flacco performed as well as he did until it was pointed out here.

 

He's also been second in the league in total attempts during that time. As a % of attempts he was at 21.7%. In contrast Rudolph in 2019 is at 39% of attempts at or behind the LOS. It's no where near what Ben has been doing.

 

You’re comparing Rudolph’s 2.5 games worth of stats to Ben’s 48? Really?

Seriously?

You’re kidding right?

 

Well, yeah, that's what some of us are saying isn't it? That MR and or the playcalling is incredibly short and lacks downfield throws. You bringing up Ben was to try and say that it's not that different from what Ben did, when the reality is its very different. For this year, Ben average intended air yards was 8.9 yds. MR is 6yds, third from the lowest in the league. Only Darnold and Bridgewater are lower.

But OK, I'll play along. How about intended air yards in 2018? Ben was middle of the pack. Just ahead of Brady and ahead of Brees, Luck, Prescott, etc. He had a mix of short and deep throws averaged out to about league average. In 2017 he was above league average, 10th in intended air yards.

Basically, he and the Steelers were not a dink and dunk team.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all#average-intended-yards

 

Mason hasn’t even played in 3 whole games. There isn’t an oc or hc in the nfl that’s going to put their backup qb in position to play gunslinger. They’re bringing him along slowly and building up his confidence and chemistry with the receivers. With that being said our offense has a ton of short passes/check downs and has for a while. Wtf intended air yards? Now people are keeping track of would of, could of, should of yards?

 

Marsha generally doesn't throw the ball over 5 yards...They pick on every play , and are allowed because they're the Cheats, and allowed...So there's that

 

It's how far a pass is thrown downfield.

The Steelers are pretty much average with Ben over the last 3 years. They don't completely air it out, but they don't completely dump and dink down the field.

As for an OC not airing it out with a backup QB...Gardner Minshew and Kyle Allen are well above MR in intended air yards. Allen is at 8.3 yds/attempt while Cam Newton was at 8.4 yds/attempt so they haven't seemed to change their passing philosophy much at all with the backup now in.

I'm a little confused what you're trying to say. First you seemed to be saying that this is nothing new, because Ben mostly threw short passes, but now you're trying to claim that there isn't a coach that's going to let their backup air it out. So are you saying the Steelers have or haven't changed the passing game with MR vs Ben?

 

If Mason Rudolph turns out to be another Joe Flacco, thank your lucky stars.
It's entirely possible that Rudolph could have a long and profitable career, like Flacco, Alex Smith or even Andy Dalton, but not be a HOF QB.

I sense too much of a Here's-the-next-Ben vibe amoung the Fan base. Pump the brakes. If that happens you'll be very, very fortunate.

 

thats why it's a team game. I haven't seen anybody including Tom Brady walk out and start a SB by themselves.

 

Mason can throw them short passes all season long if it equals a win. That is all that matters. He is too young to see the whole field like an experienced QB.

Kind of like Golf to me. I have a terrible swing but I can get the same score as the guy with a great swing. Just get it done.

 

Here's a sample college game of his from 2017. OSU vs Texas. A 2:44 minute video of all his passes ... both completions and incompletions. Short, long, mid-range ...

 

Interesting take on the SCU podcast today. They looked at Carson Wentzs first season in Philadelphia and his stats and throwing graphs for a lot of that season look very similar to Rudolph’s right now. They eased him in to his new role with a simple scheme.

I’m not saying Rudolph is the next Wentz or anything, just that there is logic to what they are doing. He was a third round project and the it was never the plan for him to be the starter in his second year. We know he can sling it and I am sure we will see that in time.

 

His arm is plenty strong. Timing trumps power anyways.

 

The Minshew kid in Jacksonville slinging it for wins, but he also has Fournette.

 

Yep.


Been saying this although in a different way. Confidence does wonders in the NFL. When confidence and playmaking come together, great things happen. Mason has confidence and will slowly build on making plays.



As much as I did not like yesterday's plan either, winning is the most important aspect. Doing so builds confidence for Mason. The more he has, the better he will become.

 

Mason isn`t anything yet. His NFL identity is not set on any level.

 

The reason we see this is because our run game isn't working, so, the coaches, made a gameplan to help Mason out with short passes filling in for a weak running game. Same with the Wildcat. Coaching did that. Bottom line though is we could run the ball on 1st down and 5+ yards every once in awhile, we wouldn't have to make SO many short and negative passes in the air and that is also when play-action will help to open up more of that intermediate area we need to see. That said, 24/28, 1td, no turnovers. I'm happy and things are trending up right now at least, finally.

 

Look, there are only 2 outcomes here.

One, throw is like there is tomorrow. Downfield and all over the place. Kind of like Rivers. Now, how many rings does he have?

Two, stick to what the defense gives you. Throw the short, high percentage routes and let you receivers make a play or two.

I ask you, what is the move proven theory in the NFL. It ain't number one. Granted, there are exceptions but history in the NFL says take what the defense gives you.

As others have said, if we win a SB with the dink and dunk like Flacco, I'll take it everyday. Brady has made a pretty good living at it and has never really just flung it around. Sure, at one point he had Moss and they stretched the field, but he usually just throws the short route and then let the receiver run.

So far, I like how they are handling Mason. They will open it up with him sooner or later. With all the short stuff, that will bring all the defenses up which will eventually open up the field to throw it downfield.

rutan