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I'd like to point out.. Not trading 1st in the past

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SDOT, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Actually, they aren't saying that about Rudolph at all and they certainly aren't committed to giving him a big contract unless he develops into that level of quarterback. They have two more years to figure that out.

    Maybe they do give Fitzpatrick a big payday in a couple of years, but he has to earn it first. If he fails, well, high first-round draft picks often fail, too.
     
  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Fitzpatrick is only in his second season. Rebuilds happen fast in the NFL. He will be part of one here, assuming he produces.

    I agree that they had opportunities to trade up or acquire a key part, but Fitzpatrick isn't just an acquisition for this season.
     
  3. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    Trading that pick is admitting they think Rudolph is the future. Only way you do that unless they are even stupider than we can all imagine. I'm not saying they are ready to hand a big check over to him right now. I'm saying if things go the way they see it going.
     
  4. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    I get Fitzpatrick is a long term move for them. They are 0-3 and traded their 1st for him. I get all that. The argument is similar moves could have been made when we had the 3 B's. Rebuilds happen fast for some teams not stuck in the 70s. I don't see a Steelers rebuild being fast with how they let promising rookies go to hand out relatively big contracts to Mata and Chik type of players. Half of the Ravens starters have 1-3 years of experience.
     
  5. KMM

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    I'm not sure where this idea that the Patriots trade first round picks for players for the now comes from.

    I may be wrong, but I think since 2000 they've only done it once. In 2017 for Brandin Cooks, who they traded away in 2018 for a first rounder. In fact, the Patriots have traded players away for first round picks (Bledsoe, Seymour, Branch, Cooks) more than they have traded away first round picks for players. They love having picks then trading up or down in the draft as the draft evolves. Basically, they value picks more than players if anything.
     
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  6. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Try and come up with a more reputable source, Bleacher report isn't that credible :shrug:. You should know about being the worst poster, aren't you the clown who said you were going to boycott the league, do us all a favor and boycott :roflmao:.
     
  7. Brandon556211

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    Definitely can’t say I disagree. I mean I would loved to get trade a first like two years when they were the (should have been one seed, James caught the ball).

    That said, I don’t dislike the trade but it does make you wonder why do that now and not in the those windows where they were contenders.
     
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  8. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    If you could read Peterson himself said it in interviews. But then again your username is steelersrule6 so you have to be 12. Go eat your dunkaroos and sip on a caprisun. Let the adults discuss the Steelers.

    https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Adrian-Peterson-Pittsburgh-Steelers-122511697/

    https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/28/adrian-peterson-reveals-steelers-interest-signing-him/
     
  9. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Why don't you continue your boycott, and let us knowledgeable fans talk Steelers football, you add nothing :shrug:.
     
  10. Steelrules

    Steelrules Well-Known Member

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    If he was, there would be complaints right now that we traded a 1st for someone who’s suspended for 1/3rd of a season. And as good as he is, he alone would not have gotten us a ring last year.
     
  11. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    Is it nap time yet? I'm way more knowledgeable and bring more to the board than you.



    SwiTz iS sTeaLinG mONeY [​IMG]








    Great analysis. Stick to Madden 20 kiddo.
     
  12. steel machine

    steel machine Well-Known Member

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    Which is why a dynasty is so amazing. A team can have an amazing QB who demands top dollar which leaves less $$ for other quality players. The 70 Steelers could have never kept that team together with what those HOFers would command.

    Why I hate em but tip my hat to them, The N.............
     
  13. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    A few losses and things get chippy.

    Reeeeally gonna bite my tongue here and just offer some advice- add him to your ignore list and move along.
     
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  14. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the laugh, I needed that :roflmao:
     
  15. Roonatic

    Roonatic Well-Known Member

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    Switz was aquired in a trade with Oakland if my memory hasn't failed me, not a fa.
     
  16. Roonatic

    Roonatic Well-Known Member

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    Trying to finish with a .500 record?
     
  17. SuperSteelers

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    Reading some of these comments crack me up. Ben is coming back and the Steelers needed a safety now. Excellent move by the organization to finally pull the trigger.
     
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  18. AskQuestionsLater

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    Fitzpatrick was worth a First Round pick without question. Minkah Fitzpatrick has perennial All Pro potential as a Free Safety. He reminds me very much of Malcolm Jenkins. Biggest difference is that not only is Minkah more explosive, he is more instinctive coming out of college.



    No other safety from the upcoming 2020 Draft had even a laughably close of a chance to be deployed as a Single High. Even Grant Delpit, whom I think is a phenomenal talent, is more suited to played Two Deep as opposed to Single High. Beyond him?! No one else!



    In regards to bolster the pass rush and find Offensive Lineman as a whole, those players are more available than a ballhawking Free Safety that can play in any coverage. The only reason that Offensive Tackles, Offensive Guards (as of Quenton Nelson) and Pass rushers go so high is because of two factors;


    1.) Teams need to get to the opposing QB.

    And

    2.) Teams need to protect their own.




    Regarding the players listed as possible cap casualties, those players will hsve themselevs to blame if they do become cap casualties. So far, not so good for the likes of James Washington. James Conner has had both a reliability issue and a ball security one. Those contracts will write themselves.



    In short?! Trading away the First Round pick was the correct choice. Minkah is not busting out health permitting. He is also under his rookie contract. Now, trading away for the likes of Jalen Ramsey?! Nevermind a Locker Room issue, that is essentially a "CAPtastrophe" waiting to happen! :eek:
     
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  19. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    Thread wasn't about the Minkah trade per se, although it makes you scratch your head and say why now. Back up QB and potential top 5 pick. Thread was about why we never made these type of moves when we had the 3 B's and a real chance. Like many fans/posters were screaming for years to trade our 1st for elite defensive talent to win now. But they decided to keep their 1st to draft Bud, Burns, and Edmunds.
     
  20. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    Also, I don't put too much stock into contracts anymore as the trend now is not to honor them. League and Goodell allowing this for some reason. I remember when the Steelers went out of tradition to extend AB which seemed to be like a very good deal. I wanted him traded at that point btw. But now fast forward to 2019 and the Steelers are eating 21 million in dead money. Great deal. Minkah wanted off the Dolphins because they sucked and it's looking like we are going to suck. Hoping it was really about the coach because him and Tomlin seem cool or we might have a problem on our hands.
     
  21. KMM

    KMM Well-Known Member

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    lol. Contracts are never honored in the NFL. Players are cut all the time that are under contract.
     
  22. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    And? They got their guarantees and if their decent they could double their money up with a new contract.

    The way it's going now. NFL is going to move to basically franchise tag, 1 year deals. Some type of stipulation where they have to stay with the team for 3-4 years before being traded. How much talent college football pumps out every year. They don't need to sign these players to long term deals. See how quick they start begging for that security back again. Get guarantees for a 5 year deal and get cut 1-2 years in. Getting paid millions for years you were suppose to work and didn't have to do ****. Put in some work and get another contract.
     
  23. AskQuestionsLater

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    Considering the question is why not during the "Three Bs Era", here is the answer.


    Let us assume Pittsburgh deals those same picks to Miami for Minkah. Now, how is the team addressing their biggest need still at Inside Linebacker again?! Mark Barron clearly is not the answer there. There was not anyone else worth acquiring outside of the Devin's.


    That being said, what is the solution for the issue that was the Inside Linebacking position?! :hmm:
     
  24. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    We need a shocked emoji
     
  25. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    This was explained to TODS backwards ad nauseum last season but he yields not! Hahahahaha gotta love the passion.
     
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