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I'd like to point out.. Not trading 1st in the past

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SDOT, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    All those years of some of us screaming to trade our 1st or 2nd to get defensive talent to win a Super Bowl now in the window we got left! With the 3 B's we were just a another solid corner, safety, lb away. So many players... Weddle, Mack, Peterson, etc. I know I'm forgetting a lot. Adrian Peterson. But our moves are Switz, Moncrete, Barron.

    Now Ben's future is in the air. Exactly why you make those moves. Patriots did and won. But no, we finally do it and give up a Top 3 pick. For a player who's going to want big money around the time a lot of other players do.

    Watt, Juju, and Conner all going to want big contracts at same time. Then a year after Minkah. And then Rudolph, Washington, and Edmunds if any of those pan out. How's that going to work? Another reason trading 1st for players to win now worked for the Patriots.

    Pretty soon we are going to be spending a lot of picks on OL and DE. We are going to be an OL and DE away. It's a revolving door that never stops.
     
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  2. SteelerGlenn

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  3. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    Did you and heinzmustard switch accounts?
     
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  4. Jball

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    Yeah, I didn't understand the move AFTER Ben went down. This is a wasted year of his contract and we'll end up paying more for him than Miami did. If they would've brought him in as the piece that put us over the top to get us deep into the playoffs or the SB, then that would've made sense to do that, while the Ben window was still open. But they couldn't have realistically thought a SB was still possible.

    Not to mention what you talked about. He's going to demand a lot of money. And lots of turnover on the lines in the next 2 or 3 years. I guess we might have one more realistic shot next year IF Ben comes back healthy. And IMO the QB situation could be a lingering issue for quite a few years. As of this moment I don't think Mason has all the tools necessary to be a great QB.

    I even suggested that maybe they could get their 1st rd pick back from another team who wanted Fitzpatrick. Like Atlanta just lost Neal for the year. Maybe they, or someone else would be interested. I think it's rebuild time. Not over paying for a final piece time.
     
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  5. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    They aren't giving Conner a big contract, he's replaceable.
     
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  6. WWW

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    Obvious choice:

    Patrick Peterson last year... yes, I'd have given up a 1st for him...
     
  7. SDOT

    SDOT Well-Known Member

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    Ok so another pick wasted that could have been addressed in FA like I said, cool. So what about the other 5-6 players needing big contracts in a 2 year span brainiac?
     
  8. SDOT

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    Or Khalil Mack. We definitely make the playoffs with him last year and who knows what happens. Maybe AB doesn't force his way off the team. Seeing how it went now.. We would of had prime Mack instead of Bush and Fitzpatrick. Long term I like Bush and Fitzpatrick but they will be wasted while we look for a QB, OL, and DE. Revolving door. That's why you go all in when you have a franchise QB and Top 5 WR and RB. But hey, lets keep those picks to draft Dupree, Burns, and Edmunds. Ooooo
     
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  9. strummerfan

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    I thought sdot gave up on the nfl 3 seasons ago because it’s rigged?
     
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  10. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    How is that a wasted pick? He was a fourth round pick, who made a Pro Bowl. They may or may not try to re-sign him, it won't be for big money though. They will need to pay Watt, JuJu, the rest not so much.
     
  11. bigbenhotness

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    nah we need to let these coaches die off in the sunset and need new blood. Not players that are going to salvage them by allowing good records and no SB's
     
  12. GoalLine

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    I have no idea what the point of the OP was for. Yes in the NFL players that show their worth want paid accordingly. Teams have to juggle the player mix every year because there is only a certain amount of cap $ to spend.
     
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  13. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah like the Steelers were going to give up multiple first round picks, and a $100 million contract with high guaranteed money to a non QB, dude get real :facepalm:.
     
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  14. bigbenhotness

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    3rd rounder but yea you're right Steelers definitely need to stay away from the chickillo type contracts lol
     
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  15. SDOT

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    He was a 3rd round pick. They were in talks with signing Adrian Peterson who ran for 1,000 last year. Perfect example of how it could have been addressed in FA.

    So they just traded a 1st for Fitzpatrick and not going to pay him? Also, by trading away that pick they are saying Rudolph is the future QB so they will have to pay him. That's at least 4 big contracts right there.
     
  16. bigbenhotness

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    put it this way. Add in prime JJ watt, prime polamalu, prime suggs, prime Calvin johnson, prime tony gonzales and prime randy moss, Dallas O line, prime adrian peterson, prime Ben and with this coaching staff we do not win a ring lol.
     
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  17. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers weren't interested in Adrian Peterson, he pouts on the sideline when he doesn't get the ball. They don't have to worry about paying Fitzpatrick for another 3 years, Ben, Pouncey and other high priced players will be gone.
     
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  18. SDOT

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    My point is it's worked for the Patriots trading 1st for key players because of the situation we are about to face. We are going to have to pay a lot of players in a 2 year span. Trade a 1st here and there for a crucial piece. You know all those years we sign pointless FA back-ups or scrubs like Switz, Moncrete, or Barron? We always go into the season with like 5 mill in cap space to sign a scrub incase somebody gets injured like they are going to be the crucial piece. Never needed anyways as they can't even win one playoff game to begin with. Just put all that money into what we need. Then call somebody up from PS if need be.
     
  19. SDOT

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    Adrian Peterson: Steelers Reached Out About Signing Before Last Season


    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-reached-out-about-signing-before-last-season


    You might be the worst poster on here and that's saying a lot.
     
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  20. Blast Furnace

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    We suck, they'll crush us
     
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  21. SDOT

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    Chik and Mata are prime examples of players that could be cut and filled with draft picks on rookie deals. We've seen it multiple times. It's the same scared mindset of why they wouldn't trade picks for proven players we needed at the time. They want to be safe and have a veteran back up but we all know if their number is ever called they are going to be average at best. Give me a young gun with upside and something to prove. Chik lost containment two weeks ago and it basically cost us the game. Having some veteran that knows the system really panned out.
     
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  22. Formerscribe

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    He wasn't really available. If a team could have gotten him for a first-round pick he would have been traded. Somebody would have paid that price.
     
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  23. SDOT

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    I counted 8 rookie or 2nd year players starting for the Ravens and like four 3 year players. That's half their squad. I don't see any Mata or Chiks on their roster. Harbaugh lets them battle out and whoever is the best and gives them the best chance to win gets the roster spot. That's why they've lapped us. 3 years ago we were laughing at them having to rebuild so much for that.
     
  24. Formerscribe

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    This is a ridiculous comparison. Mack didn't cost one first-round draft pick. The Bears gave up two first-round picks, a third-round pick in 2020 and a sixth-rounder in 2019 to get Mack, a second-rounder in 2020 and a conditional fifth-round selection. They did this knowing he was holding out and wasn't going to play without an expensive extension. They gave Mack a six-year, $141 million deal.

    Fitzpatrick cost a first-round pick. There were also exchanges of later picks, primarily the Steelers getting the Dolphins' fourth-rounder in 2020 and sending back their fifth-round selection in that draft. Also, he is still on his rookie contract for the rest of this season, 2020 and 2021. At that point, they could exercise the fifth-year option.
     
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  25. SDOT

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    Yeah, I get all this. Just an example of things that could have been done to try to win during our window with Ben and AB. There's a lot of other examples too. But now the window is closed and it's rebuild time. Fun times.
     
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