Antonio Brown Mega Thread (Was: AB is upset he's being fined by the Raiders

I called it 4 months ago that the Pats would end up with AB. Didn't see this route to get there though.

 

We should beat them. Our only recourse really.

 

They're going to kick our asses 62-0 tonight, go 16-0 and win the super bowl. How's that for you?
I live near Youngstown Ohio, and I'll tell ya, those browns fans always believe in their team, after all these years of 0-16, 1-15, 3-13, at least they believe in their team I gotta respect them for that. Some of you guys, some of friends included, damn you already got the game, the season lost. I understand "reality" and all, yes the Patriots will be good, they're not unbeatable, we can certainly beat them tonight
Rant over

 

An Elephant in the room would be a problem right in your face that no one will acknowledge. Well that's certainly not the case since the Patriots are discussed nonstop around here.
The real term for what's going on would be "Envy" or "Jealousy"
I hate the Patriots, but they don't dominate my every thought.

 

I'll 1 up that. Hope it's in a fire.

 

Things could get ugly(ier) from AB if JuJu has a good game. I am looking forward to how Belicheat keeps him off of twittergram.

 

Or Belichick figures out how to handle him as he has handled so many other troublemakers in the past. Randy Moss was dogging it during games before rejuvenating his career with the Patriots. Corey Dillon had issues, too. Both basically shut up and played during their time with the Patriots.

 

You come after me a lot for a guy who claims he's not worried about a message board victory. It's okay if you don't want to admit it now that the evidence favors my side of the argument. It's par for the course for you.

In your post above you presented multiple opinions and called them facts. Perhaps you should look up the definition of a fact. You also claim they prove the Steelers did the right thing and they clearly do not. Maybe if Brown continues to act like an ass and fails to produce for the Patriots, that would be some evidence that the Steelers did the right thing. As things stand now, they clearly did not.

I don't play fantasy football and I would be willing to be I've dealt with front office people, coaches and players more than you have. I do hope the Steelers win tonight to help you get over losing so badly in this discussion. Of course, that's mostly for my own sake as a Steelers fan.

 

This is subjective, but what Moss did with the Raiders was worse. He dogged it during games and later admitted as much. We have no evidence of Brown ever doing that as a Steeler. He threw a tantrum and assumed Tomlin would let him get away with it and play the final game last season. We have since found out that there was good reason for him to think that because Tomlin had let him get away with so much in the past. It was still Brown's fault, but it's not worse than what Moss did.

 

I do believe this would fit into my claim that the Steelers were played in all this. There is the report out there that Brown had the help of social media specialists in figuring out how to use it to push the Raiders into cutting him.

By the way, I apologize if my posts on this the last 24 hours or so left things out. I saw a poster or two point that out. I was away and posting by phone, which slows my typing down considerably, so I waited until I got home for a full response.

I'm not sure I buy that this was some grand plan all along, but there were reports at the time that the Patriots were ready to offer a first-round pick for Brown. Now they got him for nothing and the Steelers got a lot less. Honestly, I'm not sure how anybody can see that and not think the Steelers botched the Brown situation. Whether you believe it was some grand plan by Brown/Rosenhaus and the Patriots or just Brown acting like a complete ass over and over again and being rewarded for bad behavior, the result is terrible for the Steelers.

To start with, the Steelers lost a player who was still among the best in the game for a third-round pick and a fifth-round pick. That wasn't nearly enough, especially given that they reportedly could have gotten a first-rounder from the Patriots. I believe those picks turned out to be Diontae Johnson and Zach Gentry. The former was hurt much of the preseason and is unlikely to make an impact, at least early in the season. The latter is even less likely to play this season. Trading Brown also forced them to invest more resources at receiver, making Moncrief one of their key free agent acquisitions and reaching for Johnson over Winovich. Winovich could absolutely end up making them pay for that tonight.

The trade also did nothing to reduce how much Brown counted against the Steelers' salary cap this season. In fact, he will cost the Steelers significantly more than he will cost the Patriots in 2019.

To make matters worse, now he is with the Patriots anyway, so the Steelers cost themselves draft value for nothing. If Brown manages to stop acting like an ass enough to play, he should thrive with the Patriots. Imagine how much use Brady can make of a great route-runner like Brown. Sure, Brown lost all that guaranteed money from the Raiders, but he gets to be a free agent after the 2019 season. If he can put up big numbers with Brady, which is definitely possible, he could still get that one more big payday.

Yes, I was wrong about the Raiders standing up to him. It seems that played right into Brown's hands. But in the larger argument, whether or not the Steelers did the right thing with Brown, the evidence points to me being correct. I wish that wasn't the case. I want Brown to fail and I want the Steelers to succeed. Maybe I should go full Joe Ruback and praise everything my favorite team does and predict they will win every game by 50 points, but that's just not my nature. (For those who don't know, Ruback the guy you see at every Giants' game wearing a bunch of license plates on a chain around his neck. He lives not far from me. He's actually a great guy, if a little odd.) I'm far more honest in myself and with others in my assessment of the team. I really do hope Brown ends up sabotaging the Patriots, but I doubt they will allow that to happen. At worst, he's on the street again in a few weeks and it would end up costing them very little if that happens.

 

I also agree that there was at least some tampering going on, but it's going to be tough to prove and aside from the over-correction by Goodell in Deflategate, the league office doesn't seem interested in holding the Patriots accountable for breaking the rules.

 

I know but only at playoff time does it really matter.

 

I would love to strangle Roger Goodell and say you're gonna sit there and allow this you spineless f*ck?

 

Yeah I probably obsess over it too much. But this one team has destroyed my love of pro football. I'm sure others feel this way too. How does this not disgust you? I'd imagine it does but I do envy you're "Yeah what are you gonna do" response to it.

 

No, it's almost impossible not to notice. I just try to ignore it for the most part.

 

The money Brown lost or gained after the Steelers traded him really isn't relevant. That Brown is a Patriot after the Steelers passed on getting more in trade from the Patriots is absolutely relevant.

The Steelers absolutely could have kept him. Failing to do so hurt them by how little value they got in return and by where he ended up. I know we aren't going to agree on this, but unless Brown implodes in New England as well, the Steelers did not come out smelling like roses on this at all. If he produces anywhere close to what he did even last season, the Steelers lost badly. They come out of it better than the Raiders, but overall, they lost.

Of course, they can spit this ugly taste out of everybody's mouth by beating the Patriots tonight, but it's tough to expect that to happen, especially on the road. I am very curious to see the offense without Brown. I hope it's better than I expect.

 

What I heard is that the Pats offered a 2nd and 4th and given that it was the last pick in those rounds it wasn't that wildly different than what the Raiders offered.

 

Dolphins get destroyed by Rats. Great just in time for AB to have a field day next week.

 

The reports I saw at the time and the one I saw today both had it as a first-round pick. Sure, that would have been at the end of the round, but it still would have been a better value. My guess is that pick would have gone into the package for Bush, anyway.

 

Sometimes I just hate football and watching so much entitlement. Especially watching some total prick that can act like a little **** and somehow end up on a good team. Especially if he now starts to behave himself.

I really truly hope he acts out there as well.

 

When it comes to the Patriots and football karma I wouldn't hold my breath. It never seems to apply to them (generally).

 

I give Colbert a lot of crap but I won't for that if true. I'd have done the same thing. We are not the Patriots farm club!