Pro Football Focus has Josh Dobbs as the HIGHEST RATED QB the last 2 preseason games...

I think Landry had one games work last preseason and I was thinking it was gm 3 right after Ben.

 

Does your eye test see lots of luck coming his way as well? Judging by your post here that seems to be the thing that separates the two. The ying and yang of football would need to flip in order for them to have a chance in your scenario.

 

No. I just look at talent when judging players. I see way more zip when Dobbs throws the ball than I see when Rudolph throws it. I see more dynamic plays from Dobbs both on the ground and in the air. Rudolph's lack of arm strength scares me. His ball seems to just hang up there on out routes and deep crosses. And in the face of pressure he doesn't have the athletic ability to make guys miss and make something out of nothing like Dobbs.

When you have small sample sizes like we have had thus far in the preseason, then dynamics that neither player has control over can skew the results one way or another. However, with a large enough sample size (i.e 16 games) those things even out and the difference in talent will eventually show itself. We've seen bad players (like Ryan Fitzpatrick) have stretches in the regular season where they look amazing but eventually things even out and they regress back to the mean. The reverse happens with great players. They sometimes have bad stretches in the middle of a season but eventually that also evens itself out.

The only way we'll truly know who is better between Dobbs and Rudolph is to see both guys playing over a large sample size (i.e. an entire season). My contention is if we got to see both guys play for a long period of time Josh Dobbs will prove to be the better player because he's the superior talent.

 

How many deep balls has Dobbs underthrown this season. At least two long completions to Washington. Rudolph can hit the deep ball, as he showed with the touchdown tonight. He was also an excellent deep passer in college. The idea that Rudolph can't make big plays has no merit whatsoever.

 

I'm wasn't sure about this thread, but it sure turned out to be fun! Where do I begin...

 

Maybe he should start...it couldn't hurt his stats any worse.

 

Sometimes when you are walking in the grass there is s**t on the ground. You may not see it, but when others walk around it, you should probably avoid it too. What does this mean? I don't know, but I do know more often than not the CONSENSUS is right.

 

LOL. That wasn't a deep ball. It was around a 30 yard pass that was lofted in the air and the receiver ran up under. Any QB in the NFL has the arm strength to make that throw. That was more of an exhibition of great accuracy rather than great arm strength.

When I say Rudolph has a weak arm, I'm talking more about the 20-25 yard dig route where the ball needs to be rifled across the middle of the field. Like the pass Dobbs threw against Kansas City that set up the redzone opportunity where he threw that bone-headed INT. That sort of pass where you have a linebacker underneath and the ball needs to get there before the safety comes over the top comes to pick it off is where a QB gets to show off his arm strength. Dobbs has shown that sort of ability several times over the last few years in the preseason. Mason Rudolph has not shown a throw of that caliber because he lacks the arm strength to make it.

And FTR those long passes that Dobbs completed to James Washington in the first 2 preseason games were not "underthrown". Dobbs has the arm strength to throw the ball 65 yards through the air. I've seen him do that in college. What he was trying to do during those two plays was to not overthrow his receiver. There's a beautiful angle from the endzone behind him during the Tampa Bay game when he completed that 40 yard bomb to James Washington. You can clearly see him throwing the ball with touch rather than power. On the deep ball its far more important to make sure you don't overthrow your receiver and get the completion than it is to try and perfectly hit the WR in stride for a 90 yard TD. Those plays rarely happen in football. By slightly underthrowing those passes, Dobbs was making sure he got the completion rather than taking the risk of not completing the pass at all by overthrowing his receiver.

 

The depth chart is set.

1. Ben
2. Omar Jacobs
3. Pete Gonzalez
4. Brian St. Pierre
5. Tee Martin

And in unconventional fashion, Tomlin keeps a 6th QB on the 53...bringing Cordell Steward out of retirement.

 

This says it all and is undeniable:

In four preseason games, Rudolph was 28 of 44 for 368 yards with four touchdowns and one interception. Dobbs finished 18 of 33 for 280 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

The biggest difference? Rudolph put the ball in the end zone, and Dobbs didn't.

 

Rudolph is the better passer, and better decision maker. The offense is in better rhythm and moves the chains more when he is in there.
I keep reading about Rudolph's lack of arm strength... He may not have the arm strength of Jamarcus Russell , but he's got enough to make it in this league in my opinion

 

Dobbs is trash, deal with it. B-but he played against number ones!

Dudes third season and he cant out perform #3 or #4 qbs, lmao.

Facts. Remember Dobbs game against one of the worst NFL teams? Oh ya! Lets see more of that if Ben gets pulled, yawn.

 

Qb ratings throughout 4 games.

Game1:

JD=98.4

MR=141.1


Game2:

JD=45.6

MR=79


Game3:

JD=36.1

MR=89.8


Game4:

JD=69.6

MR=132.8

 

This thread =

 

The Dobb supporters keep saying that he should have thrown 2 TD's but this happened or that happened. I think they forget the awful pick he threw early in the Bucs game only to have it canceled out by a defensive holding call away from the ball.
Last night he committed one of the cardinal sins of quarterbacking when he rolled right, saw his running lane was closed and threw it late over the middle of the field. Washington reached behind him and deflected it to the ground or would have been picked.

 

pre draft scouting comments SB Nation:


You know how Tom Brady will step around an edge rusher, calmly survey the field, then deliver a pass to a wide-open target? Or the way he coolly throws the ball into the dirt when a play is blown up and the defense is closing in? Rudolph plays with that same attitude.

Final word
Rudolph checks many boxes, and in a normal year he might well end up as a top ten pick. A three-year starter, graduating senior with an excellent win-loss record, great college stats, and a few standout skills, he has the potential to develop into a franchise starter for the team he joins.

 

Well, this post went down in flames. I wonder if the OP will try to resurrect this like the Phoenix?

On a side note. Dobbs should not be number 2. But this decision will be made by the same folks who thought Vick was a good idea. So let's see.

 

Houston are looking for a no.3 now Webb is out...

 

It works the other way, too. A huge chunk of the passing yards for Dobbs this preseason came from lousy throws. Twice, Washington ran a great route to get behind everybody. Both times, Dobbs threw a bad ball and Washington made an excellent adjustment to make it a big play in spite of the lousy throw.

To call that play against Tampa one Washington should have had is a bit of a stretch. Maybe Antonio Brown comes down with balls like that, but most receivers don't. It could have been a better throw. You do have a fair point on the one against the Chiefs, but overall, Dobbs hasn't even been close to Rudolph as a passer this preseason.

You seem too ready to dismiss his mistakes. That's a huge part of being a quarterback in the NFL, minimizing mistakes while still making plays. You are so enamored with the pretty plays that you miss the fact that he makes far too many mistakes and isn't effective overall.

Rudolph isn't going to dazzle anybody when he runs, but he moves well in the pocket. He can shift and buy time and he throws a nice deep ball. He showed the ability to be a big-time playmaker in college and given that this is only his second season, I think he still has more upside than Dobbs. By upside I don't mean physical talent. I mean that he is more likely to continue to develop what he has. Dobbs has had more opportunities and I really don't see improvement at all from last year to this one.

 

Dobbs runs fairly well, but he isn't even close to Jackson in that respect.

 

The gap between Watson and Dobbs is nearly as immense. Your post ignores the college resume. Watson was a dominant player for a team competing for national championships. Dobbs was a mediocre player for mediocre teams. You're not giving Watson nearly enough credit as an accurate passer or as a runner with this comparison.

 

Now that Dobbs fizzled for the 4th game what is your 25th thought on this subject?

 

dobbs would be great if he can make the simple throws