Cleveland must have an awesome foundation

yea I dont get that putrid contract but the patriots seem to pull that off with everyone...............

 

I wonder how many SB's the Stains would have if they held onto Belicheat?

Probably still have a big fat goose egg.

 

Richardson is still young and getting paid off him being a top 5 pick a few years back hoping he is still gonna put it all together... Those gms are wrong... He is a total bust.......... Plus he is a total cancer in locker room.....

 

On the potentially negative side:

1. The worst owner in football, maybe professional sports!
2. No proven experience at GM!
3. Zero head coaching experience!
4. Zero leadership!
5. A 50+ year culture of ineptitude!
6. A sophomore QB!
7. A fanbase and media who "expect" to win it all and will settle for nothing less than a deep playoff run!

On the potentially positive side:

1. A little on field talent.

The Browns are the Browns and will be for some time to come.

 

They have improved dramatically, They can compete with anybody.

 

50 years is not really accurate. Browns were contenders in the mid to late 1980s with Schottenheimer at HC. Browns went to 3 AFC Championships during this time. Hardly inept.

 

Talent doesn't mean diddly squat. Year after year it has been proven that building through the draft is the way to go all the way. Bringing in high priced whiners like OBJ is not a good way to get chemistry. It kills your salary cap and pisses off the other players who aren't getting paid. Every team has a year of film on Mayfield. NFL teams are pretty damn good at turning flash in the pan 1st year QBs into mediocre players after one year of good film on them. They will know his tendencies. OBJ will be a locker room cancer if Mayfield tries to spread the ball around a lot. Then Mayfield may try to force it to him like Ben did with AB last year. I have been predicting that they will probably end up about 7-9 or possibly 8-8 because the coaches will lose at least 2-3 games for them. I am not saying they can't beat the Steelers because we will be their main target. BUT they will lose to other teams that they should beat. It remains to be seen if they can get their head out of their butts on the road this year. That is on Tomlin. If the Steelers play decent on the road they should easily win the AFC North.

 

Agree on most everything you said and will add if the Clowns win their 1st 2 games every ESPN talking head and Power rating will have them in the top 5 with 14 games to go. 90% of Stains fans will have reservations ready for Miami. That will be a huge amount of pressure right off the bat. If they then went 2 and 3 after 5 games their locker room would implode.

The Steelers are still clearly the favorites to win the division IMO. I think they will be out to prove something this year with the departures of the childhood behavior from the so called stars.

 

what he said..............

 

Browns were the cream of the crop when Dan Rooney was getting started. He said that he would use their franchise model for guidance on how to build a winner.

 

Elway was to the Browns in the 80's as Brady is to the Steelers now. Complete 100% ownership in the playoffs.

 

Every time I bet on Elway in the SB he lost. Will be 'Horse face' to me for infinity.

 

Despite going to three AFC Championships, they have the worst record of any team over that 50 year span = inept

The 80's in ancient history in the NFL and since returning to the NFL, after their team left town to get the stink off, they have the worst record of any team = inept

They have destroyed more talent than most teams have ever seen = inept

On field talent is a very small part of the equation and while they have "some" talent, they are still a dumpster fire = inept

 

I hate to say it... but those Browns teams would've done better in the Super Bowl. Browns choked 2 of the 3 AFC Championship games to the Broncos.

 

What were the Steelers doing during this time period... mid to late 80's? 7-9 in '85, 6-10 in '86... and *ahem*... 5-11 in '88. I remember it well... two of those seasons occurred during my high school years. 1989 was really the only bright spot in that era... and the Steelers overachieved that year after getting blown out in the first two games.

 

This is just silly! Everyone knows what the Steelers are and have been. This is a thread about the Browns foundation which is 100% pure garbage. It's just a question of whether you want to jump on the hype bandwagon or accept the reality that is, and has been, the Browns.

It's like Parcells said "you are what your record says you are" The Browns 1 year record is 7-8-1, their two year record is 7-24-1, their three year record is 8-39-1.

 

Meanwhile... the Patriots have tied the Steelers in Super Bowl victories. I could not care less about the Browns. The evil empire must be defeated.

 

Everything is fine. Every one can breathe again . Cleveland is still Cleveland. Just watched Greedy Williams pass off his receiver to no one and give up a 40 yard TD. They also tradedo Duke Johnson away so they are banking on Chubb until Hunt serves his suspension.

 

WHY ON EARTH IS THIS THREAD STILL ON THE STEELERS TALK FORUM AND NOT IN THE GENERAL NFL FORUM?

I dig the owner and the mods here but they sure are whiffing on this one.

 

Mayfield looked excellent on the opening drive........










.........sorry.

 

The Browns looked excellent in the preseason 2 years ago then didn't win a game. They are going to be what they are.

 

But their defense...

 

Well......what they WERE is not what they ARE now. That's just a fact.