Ben speaks to the media about AB

Yawn, Ben said what he should have said, it's water under the bridge now..... let it go and move on.

 

Man you are peturbed by Edmunds. Maybe Edmunds was agreeing that AB was two-faced, because he is. Wait till the great D. Carr can't get him the ball, it will be Ben's fault. Book it.

 

God liked listening to Troy, God can see right thru AB.

 

You just argued that Edmunds liked Brown's post, which seems to suggest Roethlisberger is two-faced, because he was actually saying Brown is two-faced? That is one hell of a rhetorical pretzel you just made of yourself.

It seems as if Edmunds liked a post criticizing his teammate. I'm not sure how else to read that honestly. That's not good.

I'm not perturbed by Edmunds. I hope he becomes even a solid starter this season. I am convinced that it was a mistake to spend last year's first-round pick on him. Given that the Steelers passed on a player who earned All-Pro honors at a position of need to take him, it's clear that I'm right. That Edmunds may have engaged in some social media idiocy just adds more evidence to my case.

 

A common thread I'm reading of late is how much AB will suffer because Derek Carr is his QB. It's as though it will be a miracle if Carr can get from sideline to the huddle without tripping over his feet.

While Carr isn't the QB Ben is, he has had some success in the past, is only 27, and finally has a decent WR to throw to. The last 4 yrs Carr has thrown 101 TD passes without AB, and Ben threw 112 with him. This doesn't seem like a collosal difference. If having AB gets Carr 2 more TDs/yr and his loss costs Ben 2TD/yr, the difference disappears.

ABs numbers could be pretty good this year. It ain't like he'll be running routes for Laundry Jones.

 

What about the YPA by Carr? .... Best season of Derek Carr for yards per attempts is 7.3 ..... The worst season of Ben's career for YPA is 7.3 in 2012 and 2013, when it was the dink and dunk of Todd Haley.

Derek Carr is too conservative as QB ... goes too often to his checkdown, which explains his weak YPA .... Amari Cooper was very good in Dallas after the trade in Mid season, even though he knew very little their playbook....725 yards in 9 games for Cooper in Dallas....only 280 yards in 6 games with the Raiders.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopAm00.htm

 

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Look, I'm not saying Carr is some sort of great QB. I'm saying he ain't the drooling stiff so many seem to think he is. Especially if he gets a bit better pass protection.

Besides look at Coopers '15 and '16 stats, pretty similar to his '18 stats. Who was throwing him the ball those years???

 

Honestly, I don't think Carr is the Raiders QB after next season, jmo. Wasn't his brother a first pick of the draft? The Raiders aren't too far off than that Texas team was during his time. Yeah, Carr reminds me of a bust pick, I guess we will see.

 

How do you come to the conclusion that AB was referring to Ben? The timing of his post? Did it mention Big Ben? Maybe Edmunds was putting his spin on the tweet, some of us get it. Two faced is ABs cup of tea, ironically that is what he hates about himself. Reaching out to god for forgiveness. My spin on his tweet.

 

How will Carr handle a double-teamed wr? Force it to him? Look to throw elsewhere? Pretty sure AB will be the focal point of defending the Raiders. If he doesn't get the ball to AB ALOT, Gruden will have to make changes, AB will make sure of it. After all he is the great chest that can put up similiar numbers by being traded. We will see.

 

Right out of the donkey's mouff.....

Roethlisberger: 'I lacked in leadership' in 2018

So, for all of you who disagreed with anyone who said he wasn't a "leader". Eat it and enjoy it now.

 

You don't think it will be an a distraction at camp anyway???? Media will pick this scab until both are bled dry and it sounds like one of them has a long way to go before that happens.

 

And this is why Ben should have kept his mouth shut in the first place. Now we could have another idiot taking AB's place. And if this is true, what, if anything, will our HC do?

 

I agree in that a lot of mouths should have been shut (and not only in this fiasco), however like most NFL issues, it is all public record. I really don't see how Ben could have done anything but respond at some point. He was going to be hounded about it either way. This way he had a choice in when he responded and how. Now, if he chooses to keep his mouth shut (if he is smart he will) about AB when the hounding starts again, he can do by stating that he has already addressed it. Smart move if it plays out that way, and if it does, I'm betting Ben had some help forming the when and what of his response.

 

just have to win games and shut em up.

 

Saying he lacked in leadership doesn’t mean there was no leadership. I believe the point of his post was he could’ve been better at it.

So you might want to hold up on the Crow.

 

Sure, but better it be minimized as best it can? Any out of town press will start from scratch. A little easier for Ben to dismiss it if he can say he already addressed it and it’s old news. Around here, it’s already pretty much done. Except on this board . Just a thought.

 

At least better that last year...

 

I'll hold back the snide comment and just say that my interpretation makes far more sense and yours is a stretch at best.

 

The like button on social media is ambiguous as it gets. Edmunds hitting like could mean he liked AB''s post because he too thinks Ben is two faced or he could have liked it as future proof that AB is having a mental breakdown or that he has chubby fingers or that he likes it because it's a funny thing to say. If you are already predisposed to not like a player it will make a person look at it in a negative light. Half the stuff Dupree says on social media is stupid but the guys that don't like him just feed off it and it fuels their fustration.

 

Tomlin need to control his players better on the social media



It will become out of control once again if Tomlin do nothing.