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Bells a Jet

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

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    Funny how you guys are comparing playing basketball, jet sking, etc on same risk level for career ending injury as NFL football.

    And I'm the one who has a lack of logic in my argument?

    How many MCL tears did Bell receive this year not playing football?

    He has one playing running back in the NFL. He was about 2 inches away from a career ending injury playing running back.

    Sorry this argument that he could possibly have injury not playing NFL running back for a year is very weak.
     
  2. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

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    No I'm still waiting for you to provide the evidence that there is a greater risk of obtaining a career ending injury with playing basketball, jet skiing, or hell even strip clubs than playing football.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Im not disappointed, Im laughing my ass off :lolol:
     
  4. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    Is death a career ender? Stop it kid, you showing your age.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/11...driving-beyond-recklessly-before-fatal-wreck/

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...brown-jr-chased-nfl-dream-with-dallas-cowboys

    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/nov/18/sports/sp-cassel18

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...y-have-died-within-hours-of-boat-overturning/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/09/...s-dies-unexpectedly-during-hospital-stay.html
     
  5. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    It's not just the risk of injury that was the issue. It was that fact that potentially taking on another 350+ touches and the effect it has on RB's.
     
  6. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    I'm not so sure what's funny but ok. You sound disappointed though.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Not surprised given your pov on this topic.


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  8. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    But 25 million up front for the first two years makes those 350+ touches suddenly OK now? The injury and wear and tear is more acceptable now? He isn't pis sing his pants worrying about becoming a quadraplegic.
     
  9. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    My point of view on the topic is that I understand why he took the risk.

    After that almost everything else is just an opinion. What you would do vs what someone else would do. No right or wrong. At the end of the day Bell did ok for himself. That's a fact.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Also a fact that he didn't do nearly as well as he would have liked.

    And he sat out a year to achieve that :lolol:

    Only way Bell would have "won" was if he got his 50 million guarantee, 17 million a year contract and reset the market for RB's.
     
  11. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    He took a risk that he would get more money. Risk vs which reward he would receive as a free agent. It didn't work out the way he expected ie getting paid as a duel threat. Do you follow me?

    Once the business aspect of the situation is done whatever happens happens. That's the risk he was willing to take. It doesn't make it right ot wrong. Just a risk.
     
  12. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    He failed on his gamble but still got paid. Not a bad consolation prize.
     
  13. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Just for discussion, not argument, you use the word risk. But part of risk is expected value. In my opinion, and from a business standpoint, he made a bad decision. That was the case before he got a contract. His contract does not specifically change the validity of the decision. Based on “expected value” he did not balance the variables correctly.

    I do this very well for a living. I offer the simple logic above.
     
  14. groutbrook

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    Here's an example:
    "Rooney said in the Post-Gazette interview that it would be "hard to envision" Brown as part of the team when it reports to training camp in late July."
    http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/i...er-says-hard-envision-antonio-brown-team-camp

    Rooney went to the press (more than once between him and Colbert) before he even spoke to AB.
    It was like he was responding to what AB was posting on twitter.
    I already mentioned the week 17 game check. If you want to track someone down, owe them money. They'll come to you.;+)
     
  15. groutbrook

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    Get outta here with your fancy math and your city words and your logic.:cautious:
     
  16. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I'm not talking about the choice between playing on the tag and holding out. I'm talking about the choice between accepting the Steelers' long-term offer and holding out.
     
  17. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

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  18. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    I’m bilingual, Yinz are jagoffs n’at flows just as easily. I grew up on the north side.
     
  19. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers were stupid sellers and they got the kind of terrible deal you are stuck with when you deal in a situation like that.

    Yes, you bring him back. He didn't apologize? Who cares? He also wouldn't have gotten what he wanted. No new contract. No deal out of town. The Steelers did far more damage to the organization by caving to Brown than they would have if they had brought him back. It's not even close.
     
  20. BURGH43STEL

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    I dont believe it was necessarily a bad decision before he became a free agent. Take a look around the league and see the crazy money that gets thrown at free agents in general. Top players in their prime usually get paid top dollar as free agents, right??

    As a result of his skill set, Bell expected his value to be more.

    Look all I did was understand the reasoning behind the decisions he made. He had valid reasons to do what he did. I'm not simply saying he was wrong, an idiot, ect. Ultimately he didn't make the right decision. He will still be ok though.
     
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  21. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

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    It's both.
    http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh...so-torn-inside-leveon-bells-year-in-nfl-exile

    "The way Bell saw it, the only benefit of playing last year was in a lesser role, not his normal 25-touch-per-game workhorse pace. Bell didn't want to take that chance.

    "If I went out there for the last six games and got hurt, I would have felt sick," he said."

    " At the end of the day, I wanted to go where it would make me happy and have the guaranteed money, no matter what happens to me. I’ve seen what happened to [Steelers linebacker] Ryan Shazier [who might never play again after missing most of the past two seasons with a spinal injury], and I’ve seen that with my own eyes. I have to protect myself"


    Those are just quotes from Bell himself.

    So it's not an issue of why he did it. That is in black and white ink now. The issue here is whether people or not agree with his decision or not. Which ultimately doesn't mean anything because it's his body and his life.

    I'm one that understands where he's coming from, but feel he could have gone about doing it better with communicating his plan up front as opposed to playing the silent card after insinuating earlier he would play.
     
  22. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Yes,no, sort of, etc.

    Sitting out certainly wasn’t going to help his value this year. It could only hurt.

    When he decided to sit out, it seemed it was based on a highly inflated fear of injury. That is the variable I think his decision was flawed on.

    He certainly isn’t in bad financial position.

    The condemnation comes from him acting like a jagoff.
     
  23. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

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    Well regarding the bold, we'll see if that stands the test of time.

    As much I wanted them to stick it to Brown also, it simply is not worth it IMO. Because despite public opinion, this team still has a hall of fame QB and with some moves can be competitive next year.

    If Brown was on this squad, distraction Kardashians central continuous, the Jesse James of the world run for this hills, and the downward spiral and company culture go down the tubes.

    Here they re-establish their identity and culture, and let Ben be the leader of this team without all of the unnecessary distractions.

    Brown was a 6th round pick so ultimately a 3rd and 5th actually comes at value in which they can trade those picks to move up to get the inside linebacker they need IMO.

    This team really wasn't as far off as many believe last year. Many games were one possession games with at least two or three getting lost on the foot of Chris Boswell.[/QUOTE]
     
  24. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

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    Same here.

    Even with defending Bell's position of what he did (not how he did it)

    After all of the "pay the man" talk and trash talk people had on the Steelers making it out like they low balled him,

    at the end of the day they paid him more.

    So Steeler fans do get the last laugh.
     
  25. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    That's right. There wasn't really a right or wrong about his decision. Especially considering he was going to make a lot money regardless of the decision he made.

    Take Steeler original offer. paid.

    Play for 14.5 mill, take on 350+ touches, and risk injury. Paid.

    Sit out, stay healthy, and see where his value was on the market. Paid.

    Sitting out didnt keep him from getting paid a lot of money.
     

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