Bells a Jet

Exactly what I've been saying.
You've got to live a 'regular life' too. Sitting out because he might get injured? He could have gotten severely injured during his holdout where he turned down $14M. He could have been t-boned on his way home from the grocery store by someone who ran a red light and ruined his chance at any more FA money.

I guess when you're young you fail to see the big picture.

 

I missed this.

Bell lost big time because he turned away $14.5M that he will never get back again. You can try to justify it by saying that he saved himself a year of wear and tear and that he's fresh, but unless he can go back in time, that money will never be there again.

You can never predict injury (even when you're NOT playing football, see posts above), but chances were small that he would've had an injury significant enough to impact his 2019 FA value. And even if he did, Pittsburgh is where you want to be. Just look at what the did with Sean Spence. Or Ryan Shazier. If he signs their offer last spring, that $33-$45M in 'rolling guarantees' is as good as gold with the Steelers. They've proven it even before they offered him that contract. Unless of course, he acts like a knucklehead again and gets suspended, then they could get rid of him cheaply. Don't you think that's probably a big reason why that contract was structured that way with such a low signing bonus? Can you fault them for putting some protections in the contract in case a player with a proven suspension history acts up again? And more importantly can Bell accept some responsibility for that safety provision being put in there? Or does his ego preclude him from that? The same ego that led him to believe that he was something different and never seen before in the NFL, conveniently forgetting about LaDanian Tomlinson, and thinking that he was going to reset the RB contract market?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...d-ryan-shazier-salary-bonus-report/577154002/

Bottom line is that Bell isn't capable of understanding basic finance and has a piss-poor agent who doesn't understand it either. He overestimated his value and lost big time. He not only lost the battle, he lost more money than 10 people combined will earn in a lifetime betting on his own delusions.

I guess Im glad he at least got something. But wow, I don't think I've ever seen a bigger failure in the NFL at managing your career and money.

 

The tag was within their right to do, and it was something the players agreed to. That might change, but just as it's in the best interest of Bell to get guaranteed it was in the best interest of the Steelers to tag Bell.

The Franchise tag is guaranteed money at increasing increments. If Bell played on an exclusive franchise tag this year he would have made 22 million dollars guaranteed.

But we've talked about this a thousand times already. No need to continue repeating the concept. Bell is a Jet now.

 

Good points, but regarding health coverage, one segment of people I'm not all that worried about is NFL football players.

Maybe the poor and those on dependent incomes. These players can manage the hundreds of thousands to millions they are handed in this game a little better. I'm not sympathetic.

 

We won't know unless they are put into the same type of position the Steelers were in.

Does anyone REALLY THINK they COULD HAVE brought Antonio Brown back into the Steeler locker room?

Especially with no signs of him apologizing or anything for departing on his team in the last week when they needed him most?


No Brown HAD to leave. We were motivated sellers, just like anyone else that would be put in that same situation.

 

Yeah I don't get it lmao

Not sure if that's good or bad.


So Le'veon is smoking cigarettes with terminal cancer now?


Playin

 

True, but the odds are much less generally.

Bell's position had merit. The guy had more touches than any other player in the NFL over a couple seasons. The Steelers used him an awful lot, and he performed excellent as the Cowbell Running back.

Another year of wear and tear includes multiple collisions and stress on joints, etc. He's a year older but if he kept himself in shape which I'm sure he did he will be just fine.

The thing about Bell IMO is that his heart is just not in football. I see him playing 3 years tops before retiring focusing on a rap career or something else.

 

No it's not ridiculous it's very smart. Football is going to be another 4 or 5 years of his life tops. He has a majority of his life hopefully still left after 30.

All the people talking about the 14.5 mill that he forfeited as a poor decision have to ASSUME HE WOULD HAVE NOT HAD A CAREER ENDING INJURY. It IS valid.

Ask

Joe Theisman
KiJana Carter
Ryan Shazier
Etc etc..

Bell bet on himself. He was one of the top free agents coming into this year. Teams have historically OVERPAID in free agency for top free agents. Supply and demand concepts. Ultimately he didn't get what the Steelers offered him, but I understand why he did what he did.


I just don't like HOW he went about doing it.. playing silent games, saying one thing and then doing another, .. ultimately hurting the team in the process.

If he was just straight up with communicating his intentions I'd have had no problems besides wanting to see him on the football field for the Steelers.

Bell did not lose this year. He has the potential to make up to 15 million a year with meeting an incentives. He's making slightly less than what the Steelers offered in the first 3 years of his contract. He'd of had one more year with taking the Steelers offer, but could have easily been cut if his production had dropped to not justify his salary.

Bell tried something extreme with attempting to create a new market and it didn't work as expected, but he didn't do inherently bad with this decision.

 

Thanks

I feel young again.

 

Ryan Shazier is a poor example.
The Steelers are still honoring his contract.

Which is a very strong indication that they would have done the same with Bell had he been injured and still had years to go on his contract, making the 'rolling guarantees' real guarantees.
Which he wouldn't have (years left on the contract) if he had been injured playing under the tag.
Which is why he should have signed the deal in the spring.
Which he didn't......because he thought that it wasn't enough.....meaning that he overestimated his value.
Which is what this is all about and not the guaranteed money like it's been spun.
Which essentially makes skipping the $14M the cost of an insurance policy.
Which is a really stupid decision given the premium of the policy in relation to the value of what is being insured.

 

No, but you did in plenty others.

 

Yes he does count. There no indication that he will ever play in the NFL again. The Steelers are paying him a whopping total of 473K as mostly because they are a good organization which is going to allow Shazier to have access to the organizations specialists for his medical care and rehab. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ryan-shazier-14424/. This isn't on the same scale as a 70 million 5 year contract player.

Even IF one didn't count him in, there are still the others plus many others I did not bother to get into mention.

The 'rolling gaurantees' are valid IF HE DOES NOT GET A CAREER ENDING INJURY <<< which is the entire point that you appear to still be missing.

Regarding the cost/benefit of the 14 mil "insurance policy", He gets 22 million guaranteed up front for two years as opposed to one.

So even with that logic, he still ends up in the positive if in a position of career ending injury. Basic math concepts at work.

Did he ultimately shoot himself in the foot, YES. But I do understand why he did what he did.

He bet on himself in attempts to establish a new market for dual threat players. He's not as much of a winner as what he would have ended up with just signing the Steelers long-term deal. He still did fine at the end.

As a Steeler fan, obviously I hoped he just would have signed the long-term deal with the team but I understand why he did what he did.

 

I think that sitting out the year of only play for 14.5 mill was worth the deal he received from the Jets. Especially when considering the Steelers were probably going to give Bell a heavy work load. No point saving him for the future.

Look RBs are a high risk position. It's one reason for the devaluation of the position. The average RB career is around 4 years.

Every one knows Bell took a RISK. He thought he would get more. It's ok the situation didn't play out the way he thought it would. He received a good deal with the Jets.

Can't cry about what he didn't do. He can only look forward to the future. Bell loss some but is still making a lot of money. You know what? I'd be ok with that too and I think you would too if you took a risk like Bell did.

 

473K in 2019
They paid him $8.2M in 2018 even though he didn't play a single snap that year.
Evidently you've missed this link.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...d-ryan-shazier-salary-bonus-report/577154002/

 

Understanding why he did what he did is what this boils down to for me. Who can blame him in a league where owners/GMs make poor financial decisions all the time?

Yup he still did well in the end.

 

He's not 'as much of a winner' at all. He's a total loser. Remember when he said the $60M wasn't enough to play for the Jets?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...illion-aint-enough-to-come-run-with-the-jets/
Thinks he's been humbled?


I fully understand everything. If he signs the contract in the spring, then the rolling guarantees are as good as gold even if he suffers a career ending industry because the Steelers have a history of care of injured players. See link above. See Sean Spence too.

As far as basic math.....$36M (14+22) >> $22M. The only way your math works is if he suffers a career ender. You cited a few. I can cite 1000's more who didn't. When the cost of the insurance policy is almost as much as the value of what is insured, thats a really bad buy. Really bad.
Would you pay a $100,000 insurance premium to insure your $150,000 house?

 

I would never take that risk in a million years. It was foolish. I'd be pissed that it didn't go the way that I wanted, but I'm not walking away from $14M.

 

Look Bell knew he was going to be paid a lot of money regardless of how the situation played out. That is, unless he suffered an injury.

Again it's ok to take risks in life. People take risks in life everyday for the things in which they believe. Some times things turn out well and some times they dont. By anyones account Bell did ok for himself.

 

Bell might be disappointed. That disppointment wont last long.

Bell did ok even if he didn't receive the deal he expected. He has no choice but to live with the deal he has.

What's funny is some Steelers fans seem to be more disappointed than Bell.

 

As it stands he lost $14M to gain $11M. Not many people would say that he did okay for himself.

 

Regarding the bold

Man you are DELUSIONAL if you think the Steelers (as any other team) would not have cut Le'veon Bell with a 14+ MILLION CAP HIT (not Shazier's 470k << as I pointed out already) with a CAREER ENDING INJURY. << Which is exactly what I've stated now I believe 3 times which is the entire point.

In other words, NO he would not have been getting his "rolling guarantees" with a career ending injury.

How did that work out for Ladarius Green?

For all other points, now I'm just repeating things already stated and you keep sidestepping the major point regarding him not wanting to risk a career ending injury in order to reach free agent payday. It's really not that hard to figure out.

Even if the minority have those injuries, HE DIDN'T WANT TO RISK IT. How is that difficult to understand?

As was stated, he bet on himself. He is not a "total loser" because he's now the 2nd highest paid running back in the league.

Sure he did not reset the market as intended, but he has potential to make 15 mill a year with incentives. One of the highest salaries still for a RB.

Personally I would have liked to see Bell sign with the Burgh. He didn't, and I understand why. He bet on himself, and it didn't work out as hoped, but in the end it still worked out for him.

 

Believe me bro Bell did ok for himself even though he loss out on some money. He won't have to worry about money ever again if he doesn't mis manage his money. That's another story though.