Ben the Undisputed Leader of this Team

Ben, Bell, Brown, Colbert, and Tomlin all need to check themselves.

 

I don't pay attention to guys like Stephen a Smith, he gets paid to argue (if I'm remembering his show correctly).

 

Who the F beat out Farve in Atlanta? I can't remember.

 

You may not like it, but Ben, Pouncey, and Heyward are the leaders of the team.

 

Chris Miller? I think anyhow. Glanville had big issues with Favre and didn't want to draft him if I remember correctly.

 

Exactly... Arguably the worst first rd'er ever taken for the black and gold. Linebacker/DE go figure.

 

Billy Joe Hobert

Edit: Sorry it was Tolliver not Hobert. Had my Billy's mixed up.

 

My two cents on all this is that yes Ben talks a great game when it comes to leadership and what he did for the Bus was legend making. Yes he checks all the boxes when it comes to saying the things a leader should. He accepts responsibility for his mistakes, says he has to be better which is great but when the camera's aren't rolling and the recorders are off he doesn't back that talk up. When he says I can't throw 5 interceptions and expect to sin the game and then takes his "Ben " day. He plays like crap and owns it in the media but instead of being the first guy in the film room Monday at 6 am, it's business as usual maybe we will work on those plays maybe we won't. Where are the stories about Ben gathering up the guys and saying I want to run these plays again until I'm sure we are clicking? See that's the thing with the gunslingers, they are heroic leaders that can pull victory from defeat time and time again but they aren't big on putting in that work that could make them great.

 

No I don't.

 

Someone we regretted drafting in place of Brett Farve


"
Richardson was the first round draft choice (fifteenth pick overall) of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 1991 NFL Draft.[6] Based on a conversation with the former Steelers director of scouting, Max McCartney, with three picks remaining before the Steelers picked at number 15, they had three players targeted that they would be willing to select: Tennessee Volunteers wide receiver Alvin Harper, Colorado Buffaloes wide receiver Mike Pritchard and Arizona State Sun Devils running back Leonard Russell. When those three players were all selected with the three immediately preceding picks (by the Dallas Cowboys, Atlanta Falcons and New England Patriots, respectively),[6] the Pittsburgh draft managers were unprepared and were forced to make a selection before their fifteen-minute time limit expired, and they settled on Richardson.

Richardson played only five games with the Steelers in 1991, registering two tackles, plus another on special teams.[7][8] Part of the problem was that the Steelers played a 3-4 defense, and Richardson didn't have the build to play defensive end in that scheme. The Steelers made him an inside linebacker, and he didn't make the adjustment very well. Following the 1991 season, long-time head coach Chuck Noll retired and was replaced by Bill Cowher, who tried to switch Richardson to outside linebacker (his position for the first three years of his collegiate career). When that didn't work, Cowher asked player development director Tom Donahoe if it was too soon to cut him.[8] When Donahoe said he should keep the top forty-seven players regardless of their draft history, Richardson was traded to the Washington Redskins for a seventh-round draft pick; if a trade had not been possible, Richardson would have simply been waived. After four uneventful games with the Redskins, he was released and signed with the New York Jets. At the end of the 1992 season, after seven games with the Jets, Richardson's short NFL career was over"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Richardson



oohhh ouch yep missed on that one.

 

And yes the ultimate Steeler draft woe of all time that infamously has gone down as the worst decision ever would be passing on Dan Marino.

There was no answer for QB in the 80s beyond Terry Bradshaw.

I could find some Mark Malone highlights if anyone needs a reminder I was born in the early 80s so thankfully I didn't suffer much through that era.

 

Here's more on Huey Richardson. The guy lit it up in college with 26.5 sacks and 50.5 tackles for losses.




But it could have been this



lmao

 

Nice misdirection attempt.

 

Having the title of leader does not make you a leader.

 

Brian Billick has a Super Bowl too. George Seifert has two. Gary Kubiak who had 40 heart attacks in his coaching career has a Super Bowl too. Mike Tomlin sucks. It's 2019. Steelers haven't won a Super Bowl in 10 years. They haven't won **** even with a hall of fame QB and talent up the ying yang.

 

Actually it does. Now you might not be good at it.

 

I just want to point out from this list that prior 1st/2nd round picks Tommy Maddox, Charlie Batch, Byron Leftwich, and even Mike Vick have all worn a Steelers uniform via Free Agency acquisition.

 

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/foot...cle_d2b161b9-70e1-57d5-aa9d-1b7d56010913.html

Also it's interesting to note that any QB leader is going to come under scrutiny whether it's justified or not. Aaron Rogers is also apparently dealing with a good bit of criticism. It's just not as publicized as the Steeler drama.

 

True, but they were all signed as back ups.
Dan Marino, Joe Montana ('93), Chad Pennington and Drew Brees are 4 QB's that the Steelers could have had without making a move, plus others had they made a move. They had opportunities, which was my original point.

 

I said 'opportunities', meaning more than one, like 2. I didn't say several, or many. Then I pointed out 4.

 

So what I'm taking away from the discussion at this point is:

1) the 20 year drought in having a great QB between TB and BR was partly due to poor decisions by the FO but probably the bigger reason is the lack of quality options available.

2) there may be more quality QB options coming out of college these days who can turn into franchise QBs because of the college and NFL being more similar than 20+ years ago.

3) opportunities to get a true franchise QB who is in his prime from another team are few and far between. Which means that Steelers most likely need to draft Ben's replacement. This means we need to draft higher. Either by tanking or trade up in the draft.

I gotta tell you guys that this is not a real confidence builder that we arent going to experience another extended period without a stud marquee QB post BR. First off, the FO has whiffed miserably on drafting QBs outside of 2 in the past 50 years. So, that doesnt instill confidence in their ability to judge talent at that position. Secondly, the talent level coming out of college is relative. We arent any more likely today to draft that guy than we were 20+ years ago. There are just as many guys today who enter the league with all kinds of hype and never achieve what the teams who drafted them expected. Just look at the results - no different than in the past 40 years with the exception of a couple of special years like 1983 and 2004. And lastly, unless we trade up to get a top 10 pick, our chances to get Ben's replacement go down. The best we'll draft is mid of the pack.

I'm just saying, I wouldn't be shocked if we dont see another franchise QB the likes of TB or BR for a long time.