Ben the Undisputed Leader of this Team

I am not a Ben hater I am simply pointing out what I don't like about the way he does things. That has nothing to do with how he plays on the field or the fact that a franchise QB is one of the hardest things to get in all of sports. Just because I am saying I don't like what Ben is saying or doing don't mean I think he is a bad QB. Our season will go as Ben goes, but that don't mean I can't come to a message board and talk about the good and bad of a player........

 

I don't remember the exact situation now, but I wanted Warren Moon in the worse way after his time with the Vikings. Randall Cunningham too.

 

Definitely getting on my nerves. This whole regime needs to be taught how to speak in public. During his tip toeing through the tulips with Ben comments he referred to the other 52 players as kids. Seriously? that’s how you chose to describe his teammates. Yeah AV is a “kid”. I don’t even have to go into how much he is no “kid” . At the very best, terrible choice of words. No wonder he has no problem with what Ben does. Are they that clueless as to knowing the right things to say about people. I understand Colbert that your job depends on Ben but get your head out of your ass and your nose out of Bens.

 

Nah just when it's blatantly ignorant. Anyone that wanted to could dig up old press conferences to prove the point, but if they did that they wouldn't be confused to begin with.

 

Yes the same Jaguars game with two balls forced to AB no doubt to appease his temper tandrums, and Ben still came back and won the game despite key players being at odds with him.

Imagine what he can do when he can spread the ball around without feeling forced to throw it to one receiver.

 

But this is nothing new from Ben. He is a gunslinger, unloads the pistol without regret. Always playing for the win, he is a god on the football field. lol

 

The reality is, when Ben was selected with the 11 overall pick or whatever a beam of shining light shown down on the Steelers organization. And Ben did not disappoint.

A whooooooollllllee lot of players selected even higher than him at QB have not done what he can do. Maybe a little appreciation is in order.

And I could list a NUMBER of QBs.

David Carr, Matt Leinhart, Jamar Russell, could go on and on. Even Eli Manning and Philip Rivers who were drafted with him have not accomplished what Ben has.

We're waiting for your list of QBs the Steelers past up throughout the 90s.

 

True. He'll throw it up for the receiver to make a play.

Thankfully with Brown gone, he won't feel pressured to throw it into double coverage. I'm optimistic regarding the Steelers pass offense without Brown.

 

I could be wrong, but seems like both of those guys were on the downhill side of their careers when they became free agents.

 

You should only throw it up if you have the receivers to make the play. I’m not sure we have had that for a long time.

Bradshaw once said he learned three things while playing football. One of them was “ If you throw the ball to John Stallworth, it will not be intercepted”.

 

The funny thing about franchise QB's is you don't need a list of them, you only need one. Like Marino, for example. He could have been drafted the year TB retired (I think) and lasted through the 90's.

You can't say when Ben is done the dark ages return to Pittsburgh, because you don't know. No one knows.

 

They were, I just loved watching them play. Moon did have one good season in Seattle.

 

lol every team passed on Joe Montana for up to 3 rounds. He doesn't count. Let's throw in Tom Brady while we're at it.

 

Montana was drafted in '93?

 

I think he's talking about free agency

 

Here's the list

1990
Jeff George Pick 1
Andre Ware Pick 6

Steelers picked up Eric Green at TE who was a pimp

1991
Dan McGwire pick 16
Todd Marinovich (24)

Steelers picked Huey Richardson at 15 <<< could have picked up Brett Farve

1992
David Klingler (6)
Tommy Maddox (25) >> drafted by Broncos
Darryl Williams (28)


1993
Drew Bledsoe (1)
Rick Mirer (2)
Mark Brunell was a 5th round pick this year

1994
Health Shuler (3)
Trent Dilfer (6)
Kurt Warner <<<< UNDRAFTED

1995
Steve McNair (3)
Kerry Collins (5)
KORDELL STEWART <<< 2ROUND 60 OVR PICK STEELERS
Stoney Case 3rd rd
Eric Zeier 3rd rd

1996
Tony Banks << 1st QB taken in 2nd rd 42 ovr


1997
Jim Druckenmiller (26)
Jake Plummer 2nd rd 42 ovr

1998
Peyton Manning (1)
Ryan Leaf (2)
Charlie Batch 2nd rd 60 ovr
Matt Hasselbeck <<< 6th round 187ovr

1999
Tim Couch (1)
Donovan McNabb (2)
Akili Smith (3)
Daunte Culpepper (11)
Cade McNown (12)
Shaun King 2nd rd 50ovr
Aaron Brooks <<<< 4th rd 131 ovr


2000
Chad Pennington (18) << Steelers picked Plaxico Burress this year at 8th overall first round
Tom Brady << we all know

2001
Michael Vick (1)
Drew Brees 2nd rd 32 <<<<< would have been a steal and I'm sure every team would like to re-do that one.

2002
David Carr (1)
Joey Harrington (3)
Patrick Ramsey (32)
Josh McCown 3rd rd 81ovr

2003
Carson Palmar (1)
Byron Leftwich (7)
Kyle Boller (19)
Rex Grossman (22)
Steelers trade up to get TROY POLAMALU w/ the 16th overall pick << I remember people complaining about but they aren't now.

2004
BEN ROETHLISBERGER (11) <<<<<< a career later to many dismay even though he is a 1st ballot hall of famer



So reasonable critique would be passing on Brett Farve, Chad Pennington (but we had Kordell so they rationalized big WR), and Drew Brees.

Just look at the number of 1st round pick QBs that have done absolutely NOTHING.

I included all QBs picked in the first round and notable ones throughout.

 

Passing on Montana in free agency is a notable gripe. I also wasn't pleased about that. He lit it up for the Chiefs.

 

Quarterbacks are only available through the draft?

 

I'll let you work on the free agent list. The point being QBs don't grow on trees and people should be appreciative of what they got.

 

Good ones, for the extreme most part.

If that’s proper English?

 

You're missing my point I guess.
Also, a player doesn't have to be a free agent to be traded. Ben wasn't a free agent when the Steelers desperately tried to trade him before the 2010 season.

 

"a player doesn't have to be a free agent to be traded"? must be a typo

As for trading Ben, it's a good thing they didn't.

My point is that people like to poke and prod at Ben, but they have no idea what they have and really have no clue what they are talking about. People like Stephen A Smith who gets paid to have a clue.

 

Thanks for doing the research. I didnt realize Favre was available when we picked Huey Richardson. Who the F is Huey Richardson?