If we get in

Off for the holidays, so I have idle hands and access to profootball reference.com "Team Game Finder".
We all have been hearing about Tomlin's suckage as big time favorite, and how this stuff didn't happen in the good old days of St Bill Cowher.

So I did a simple search. And got a list of the games where the Steelers were 9pt favorites or more since 1992.

Under Cowher, the Steelers 22-6 when they were 9 pt favorites or more.
The 6 losses:
'06 @ Oak, Ben throws 4 picks
'02 vs Expansion Houston
3 games in '98-9 during the Kordell meltdown
'95 vs Expansion Jax


Under Tomlin, the Steelers are 25-6, as 9+ pt favorites
The 6 losses, note the similarities:
'18 @oak
'15 vs a bad Raven team a home
3 in '09 during unleash hell December
'07 @ NYJ

Not a lot of difference. People forget Cowher stinkers when viewed thru the rose colored glasses of nostalgia.

 

Man, I wish I could agree with this more than once. People have either forgotten, forgiven, or were just too young to remember some of the things that went on during the Cowher years!

 

I assume you mean, you are betting the Steelers and are giving 15.5 pts; unless you bet the Bengals.

I have no doubt the Pitt wins outright, but I could see then not covering the big number

 

Yeah, that's all fine and good... until you realize that Cowher only had a franchise QB in his last 3 seasons. None of the Cowher chokes happened with a franchise QB until '06 and Roethlisberger was never really 100% that year.

This disappointing, underachieving season is not all Tomlin's fault, but most of it is.

 

I see how well we match up against the Saints and probably not so much against the Rams, so yeah if the Saints get to the S.B. and we got in, it is plausible we could win it all. IF we get in and IF we played hard like in the Saints game for the AFC playoffs and IF the refs don`t decide a game against us.

 

Right on both counts

 

I finally get HeinzMustard! He expects the worst, because he cannot handle the emotional investment it takes to hope for the best. Of course, the team hasn't really given much reason to hope for the best, whether its coaching, players, distractions, paying attention to details, replay challenges, overcoming TERRIBLE officiating calls, celebrating failed fake punts, etc., etc., etc., etc.

 

and, there it is. "But, Cowher didn't have a QB" Yet, Bellychuck is the greatest ever 'cause he can plug in "Joe the plumber" at wide out and win the SB. If it's all coaching for the Pats success, how come it's lack of talent for Cowher's failures? (no, Brady is not the best ever)

 

No. I expect what I predicted earlier in the year: 9-7

I guess I'm one of the few here who is not surprised. If anything surprised me, it was the Ravens. I actually thought the Steelers could make the playoffs at 9-7, because the rest of the north would be terrible. In reality, this is an average, mediocre team that did very little in the offseason to improve itself.

 

.??? The point spread is the point spread, if you're a 10pt favorite, the 'market' has factored in the quality of the QB. if you are a 10pt favorite with Elmer Fudd at QB, you're still suppose to win, and it's a major upset if yu don't. You blaming Kordell and Maddox fot the Cwher chokes, but not Bill? You blaming Tomlin, for the Tomlin chokes, but not Ben?

When Cowher lost to expansion Hou and expansion Jax, when he lost to Stan Humpries, I don't recall anyone at the time excusing these 'chokes' because he didn't have a franchise QB. He got full blame, and was considered an incompetent bozo. Just like the coach today.

 

Nope. Tim McKyer got more blame than Cowher for the loss to Stan Humphries. I remember it well... and the AFC Championship loss to the Chargers in '95 has been well documented here.

Expansion Houston and Jacksonville... I'll give you those. Cowher didn't have the team ready. Tomlin has done this with a lot more frequency than Cowher.

 

It's a effective argument for those who are arguing Cowher vs Tomlin. I'm not really worried about what happened that long ago. Any complaints I have about Tomlin has nothing to do with what Cowher has done. I'm looking towards the future of the team,not the past but yes Cowher did have his issues as well. I feel just like Cowher and how his message got lost. The same seems to be happening with this team. The biggest difference I see is how the game has evolved. It's no longer 3 yards and a cloud of dust. It is a very nuanced thinking mans game and I don't think our current regime has the " fire " power for it.
Tomlin came in as a "war of attrition " and "we do what we do" style of coach and the evolution has been slow or non existent in some aspects. Teams are game planning and scheming on a week to week basis trying to follow what NE does. We only seem to do that from r the "big" games failing to realize they are all big games. Fire Butler ASAP. Give Tomlin another year with cap money and the draft to make one more run at a SB. Already on paper the schedule looks pretty weak. There will be no more excuses for losing games you should win next year.

 

Steelers have 49ers, Cardinals and Patriots on the road next year for sure. If Brady doesn't retire, those are all guaranteed losses. Plus, they will most likely have to play the Chargers in LA next year, because they will end up 2nd in the North... Chargers being 2nd in the West. Browns could end up 2nd in North if they beat the Ravens and Steelers lose to Bengals... then Steelers would play the Broncos at Mile High. Either way... it's a loss.

Tomlin is incapable of preparing the team for a west coast or mountain time games.

 

I am impressed that you picked 9-7, realizing that you would be wrong at least 9 times, because in the "Predict the winner threads" you did not pick the Steelers once. This seems to prove my theory as being correct.

 

I was wrong 9 times, but I'm going to win "Predict the Score" contest.

 

Y’all complain of heinzmustards specifics but here we are missing the playoffs.

Shut up Browns ain’t winning lol

#butthurtforever

#tomlinsucksass

#hashtagsaredumblikeme

 

I’ve been saying that about him for a few years.

 

Why does it take more emotional investment to hope for a win as opposed to expecting a loss? Logically, it would be harder emotionally to deal with expecting a loss, rather than hoping for a win. The Steelers are simply not a good team this year and do not deserve to go to the playoffs. Playoff teams don't lose to 2-10 teams with 1/4 of season left to play and tie an obviously inferior division rival to start the season. The Steelers plane has been burning for a while.. and it's about to crash and burn. Some of us here have accepted this and moved on. Others cling to the blind hope the Cleveland Browns will somehow upset an improved and surging Ravens team at Baltimore.

Hell... the Steelers could very well lose to the Bengals on Sunday. It wouldn't surprise me one bit. If Steelers can tie the Browns, lose to Raiders and Broncos... they damn sure can lose to the Bengals.

 

Well I doubt the Browns have any answers for the Ravens defense. However, if the Steelers get into the playoffs, totally expect a one and done. The opposition is irrelevant. The Steelers will lose the game. Defenses win in post season. The Steelers don't have a defense for the post season.

 

The Steelers match up fine against the Rams, who are vulnerable against the pass and struggling down the stretch. In a close game, I have a hell of a lot more faith in Brees than I do in Goff. The Saints may actually be the worst matchup for the Steelers with their offensive balance. Maybe the Chiefs with their speed on offense and pass rush on defense, but they can't take the run away in the manner the Saints can. The Saints are the best team in the league and the Steelers had them beaten in their own stadium. That's the kind of potential they wasted this season.

 

To be fair, they do that every year with both teams. That way the winning team gets their gear right away, not days later.

The losing teams gear gets shipped to Africa

 

Unfortunately, Ben doesn't always play like a franchise QB. At the moment he is tied for the league lead in INT's.

 

Neither do the Chiefs

 

I figured him out awhile ago.
It's simple:
1. His persistent negativity regarding the Steelers is due to his hatred of dad.
2. He's feminine because he doesn't think Bud Dupree and Jarvis Jones are good OLBs.