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Game of inches

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Dec 15, 2018.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    The difference between this season and last season is the Steelers won the close games and this year they aren't.

    They could easily be 11-3 right now.

    Bos cost them 2 wins, some really bad penalties contributed to a loss, the biggest bone headed defensive play I ever saw by Davis contributed to a loss, Tomlin absolutely cost them against the Raiders, at least 2 losses fall on terrible terrible defensive scheme. All that stuff broke right for them last season.

    Why do I bring this up? Because while the fans are in melt down mode and want changes (myself included) the Rooneys surely view it differently and know it's a game of inches.

    I will take a new DC. At the very least, I hope that happens. It's hard enough playing defense in this league without your DC putting you in poor position to succeed.
     
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  2. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Ok blast time to take off the glasses. We are who we thought we were. Thanks Coach T.
     
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  3. mytake

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    Most of the Steelers issues are fixable, except for lack of talent at certain positions. I just hope tomorrow the Steelers don't settle for field goals or use shot gun in short yardage situations.
     
  4. thesteeldeal

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    You can look at it both ways. I just posted in another thread about how Boswell saved our asses a bunch of times last year. This year he hasn't helped the cause. Last years 13-3 could of just as easily been hovering around.500 just like this year. The fact that our D still sucks. We play down to and overlook our competition and the players themselves have come out to admitting that they aren't focused tell you all you need to know about the culture in the locker room and the total attitude adjustment this team needs.
    This is supposed to be instilled by the HC who's main strength is supposed to be as a motivator. Someone else brought up what he said in his PC about focus and details. That shouldn't even have to be said.
    Yes Butler definitely needs to go but everything that is happening to this team is happening under the HCs watch.Now it seems not only is he not motivating his players his decision making is directly costing us games. We've been saying for years Tomlin needs to fix this and that yet nothing seems to be getting fixed.

    The next 3 games will tell us all we need to know about the direction this team is heading and if our HC is the right man for the job. As desperate as we should be given our circumstances. Playing at home against a team that needs no introduction. This is a must win. Not necessarily for our post season future but for our entire coaching staffs future....
     
  5. steel machine

    steel machine Well-Known Member

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    Saw this in the Philly sports section about the Steeler/pat game. Postgame headline: "Steelers lose again as Mike Tomlin continues bid to become Packers next coach".

    And this for Raven game. Postgame headline: "Ravens in first place after New England takes care of Pittsburgh".
     
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  6. AskQuestionsLater

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    Concur with Blast.


    Tell Butler to hock his brains, pack his bags and head out. Take Porter and Olsavsky too. All three have not showcased much of anything worth writing home about.



    Some would state that both Olsavsky and Porter should be credited with the development of TJ Watt. I would respectfully disagree. He has a three time DPOY and Future HOF brother in JJ Watt to lean on. For that matter, going back to his Wisconsin days, he was mainly training with JJ anyway.



    Hire either Kris Richard or Todd Bowles. Either or would be sufficient. Tom Bradley might also be a candidate but I would rather go in a new direction via outsouring for a new coordinator and not hiring in house.
     
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  7. Steel Acorn

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    There are also several games this season we could have LOST due to inches. Cleveland could have been a loss, as well as maybe Tampa Bay and Jacksonville. Any game within 3 points probably was decided by a game of inches, and only blowouts are sure things. Parity is rife within the NFL.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Think you misunderstood me. I'm not defending Tomlin, if you've been reading my other posts, I want a change at HC position. I'm just illustrating the fine line between winning and losing in the NFL. Last year, things broke right for them to win those close games, this year they aren't. Fans shouldn't expect Tomlin to be let go but I do think Butler could be gone.


    Thats really my whole point. But looking at it from the Rooneys perspective, are they losing those games this year because they are bad or because thats just the way the ball bounces? Steelers are in all their games, not like they get blown out.

    I'd love nothing more than for new blood to be coaching this team next season, just not going to get my hopes up it happens.

    I'll settle for a DC change though, IMO, that's a minimum that needs to happen.
     
  9. blake duerden

    blake duerden Well-Known Member

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    Game of refs and fg's
     
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  10. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Well let's see what happens the next 3 weeks. Yes they've been in all their games but up to this point there really isn't a team that they shouldn't of beaten except KC and Baltimore ( split) That's part of the problem. Yeah they're in games but they shouldn't even be games against some of the competition they have faced.. I know they say you are what your record says you are but we were not a 13-3 caliber team last year.
    IMO they are losing games because they are bad ,not because they have been unlucky. They are getting a terrible performance from their DC and their HC has had his share of blunders as well. The players themselves have also done some really dumb things. The worst part for me though is the continued lack of focus and sub par performances based on a arrogant belief they can just show up and win games. I think a lot of that comes from the HC. That situation needed to be addressed years ago yet here we are still falling victim to it.

    Butler better be gone or the whole organization needs to get their heads examined. I would go so far as to say the next 3 weeks are Tomlins audition to keep his job....
     
  11. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    But what if Tomlin refuses to let Butler go? And he quits.
     
  12. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Bed time

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    He is making over $7MM a year and you are making a hypothetical on “if he quits”?
     
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  13. jeh1856

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    Regarding the game of inches, and I’ve posted this before, most games revolve around 4-6 plays out of about 120. Change on average 5 plays and you go from 4-12 and 12-4.

    Many games this year and it has been only one play.
     
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  14. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    If he quits over Butler we should put him on the PUTTS list....Physically unable to think straight. See ya!
     
  15. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Yes many games this year have come down to 1 play but that's only because we already screwed up the 5 or 6 other plays to get to that point. So I agree on the 4-6 part but the same could be said for every other team. Look at Cleveland. Using that criteria no HCs job should be on the line. I'm not saying that's how you feel. I'm just saying in theory.
     
  16. jeh1856

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    Agreed.

    I’m thinking it’s the preparation and practice and discipline that decide the outcome of those 5 plays.

    And I think that’s partly coaching. I’m also thinking that’s partly discipline in the players?
     
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  17. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Yes and accountability breeds discipline
     
  18. THREE RIVER SHIVER

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    This team does not force turnovers, and that is a major problem. No short fields and no splash plays on defense are killing us.
     
  19. Formerscribe

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    There have certainly been some things that went wrong that were well beyond Tomlin's control. Bell's holdout is one. Everybody, including Bell and his agent, thought he would at least play the final six games.

    Boswell's collapse is also beyond anybody's control. The guy has been rock solid for years and he suddenly lost it. Tomlin's failure to address that problem sooner, however, was one of his significant errors this season.

    This team was in trouble from Week 1. The tie agaist the Browns looks like it will cost the Steelers a playoff berth. Hold on late or have Boswell convert a field goal that was very much in his range in overtime and the Steelers would have what is essentially a two-game lead on the Ravens with three to go. Remember, the Steelers would win the tie-breaker due to their superior division record.

    Once again, it's not the failures against good teams that will ruin the season. It is the failures against the Browns and Raiders. Sure, the Browns look better now, but they weren't playing nearly as well when Jackson was still the coach and Taylor was the quarterback.
     
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  20. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Not sure I understand your comment. I know how much he makes, he doesn't need the money.
    It would be a matter of principle. The emperor had hard times with these type of decisions.
    We are talking life long friends with Tomlin, Butler Fichtner.
     
  21. AFan

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    True, but a team with the expectations this one had SHOULD have some success against good teams. They played 4 teams with winning records and they're 1-3 - with 3 losses at home. Yes, the tie in Cle, which easily could have been a loss, and the loss in Oak are fatal. But they'd be in far better shape if they had won a home game against a winning team.

    They've got 2 games vs good teams coming up to show that they're more than they have appeared to be.
     
  22. lewisha

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    And bad coaching.
     
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  23. lewisha

    lewisha Well-Known Member

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    And isn’t that what Tomlin is constantly,preaching, splash plays?
     
  24. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Part of the no TO problems is the soft zone they play behind it. QBs are getting the ball out too quick to force sack/fumbles and the secondary is allowing easy catches by trying to keep everything in front of them. It's a antiquated scheme that Butler runs and something the HC obviously must sign off on. You wonde why our DBs can't catch? They are shocked to be in position to make a play....
     
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  25. THREE RIVER SHIVER

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    Outside backers got to chop the qb's arm as well. They got a ton of sacks ,but how many have been strip sacks.. Dupree should have had one last week. Getting takeaways is everything
     
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