Fire Keith Butler

Watt is by far your best pass rusher....HE NEEDS TO RUSH THE QB EVERY PLAY..no one else on the team is as good at it.If he is covering wide recievers your defensive coordinator needs to be drug tested

 

We don't have a choice but to want to blame Butler is wrong as far as I am concerned. You said bring Rex in well I would be fine with that but the question is would Tomlin give full control cause he isn't giving Butler full control. jmo

 

Well why I feel blaming Butler is wrong is cause Tomlin is not letting Butler run the defense. Your 100% right if Tomlin don't feel KB can do the job get rid of him don't keep him and not let him coach. Believe me I wish the problem was Butler and not the talent but I don't feel it is either, I feel it is Tomlin. Lebeau was a 3-4 guy and Butler learned from DL so why was Butler hire full time after DL left? I don't think DL is washed up and I think Butler is a good coach, where I feel the problem is Tomlin wants this hybrid defense and it don't fit the DC's we have/had. jmo

And yeah your right if Tomlin pull this on Rex he would quit so why bring him in????

 

One final take of mine before I let this go. A thought I had pondered since the Jacksonville game but has now further surfaced within my thoughts; brought up here to share with all of you. I hope you enjoy this little take of mine.



For the most part, Butler has set out to accomplish some of the tasks given to him:


1.) Simplify the defense so that younger players could get to the field faster.


2.) Increase the amount of pressure on the quarterback.


3.) A lesser extent but still more prominent than the LeBeau days in incorporating more man covergae.



That all being said however, looking back since 2015, something has been unusual; indirectly for me anyway. I did not mind it at the time because the defense was producing from 2015-2017; becoming a defense that could generate pressure from four from anywhere while being able to acquire turnovers. However, much of what I observed during that time seemed eerily similar towards what LeBeau used to do. Yes, Butler is LeBeau's understudy but he has incorporated his own wrinkles. While that does not sound all that bad, said discussion point is what leads me to what I believe is the current issue at hand here.



Butler seems to be too schematically entrapped given what we have seen thus far this season. Too many times either the EXACT same defensive formation is still being applied on the opposition that will likely take advantage of; namely against Kansas City. If it is not the same formation being used, the formation itself is used as a main point of emphasis to nullify the oppositions incoming offensive play; personnel being irrelevant. This is catastrophic for two reasons:


1.) The player is going to be continually put into unwinnable situations a good portion of the time


And most Importantly..


2.) Formations that do not minimize the offenses capabilities by allocating the better athletes into areas they really should not increase the likelihood of the offense not just exploiting but capitalizing on such blunders.


Ultimatley speaking, no matter how good an athlete is, if the scheme hinders his critical ability to simply react or, even worse, if the scheme itself is incompatible with his skillset, no matter what play within the playbook a coach has, its meaningless. It is the equivalent of attempting to build Mt. Everest using a handful of pebbles.


Now some of these defensive coordinators have athletes of their own but do one critical aspect. Defensive Coordinators like Mike Schwartz, George Edwards, Vic Fangio, Kris Richard and even Cleveland's own Gregg Williams all currently have athletic players of their own right but deploy them to maximize their abilities. Sure, they also have their own schemes but the aforementioned coaches do not allow the schemes themselves to run the defense but rather what their players are capable of and how to deploy those counter measures against the opposition.



In short? Personnel Weaknesses are the new "building materials" and no longer the "foundation" they were in the 2000s. In greater layman's terms and, as an example, one can no longer use an uber athletic linebacker in a base defense (this case the 3-4) against a sub 4.4 receiver in man coverage on an offenses empty set when the receiver is running a go route. That is either a touchdown waiting to happen.




Butler NEEDS to get with the program and understand that formation weaknesses meam nothing anymore. Personnel Weaknesses are how defenses can win games. The athletes are there and ready for Butler to use. It is up to him to actually USE them to the best of their abilities.

 

Tomlin said point blank at the PC that he does NOT call the defensive plays.....

 

Nice write up..... tell me if my summary is correct....
They are not putting players in a position where they can succeed or in layman’s terms....
They don’t know what the **** they are doing.....how’d I do?

 

This is Tomlin we are talking about.........

 

Maybe not right now but he did take it over last year, read the link I post a few posts ago.....

 

Yes I as aware of it back then. I'm just telling you what he said as of now. Either way it wasn't working last year when he was and it isn't working now that he isn't. To me that points to whoever is calling the plays it doesn't matter if the scheme is destined to fail....

 

Tomlin didn't call the defense last year, steelers wire isn't credible those guys are a joke.

 

Rex Ryan as DC no thanks, his players in Buffalo complained after he came in changed the defense and they sucked.

 

Steelers wire sited Ed Bouchette as their source for the info in that article.

From Ed's article wrapping up last season:
There was some surprise no coaching change was forthcoming on defense, but if that were to occur, Tomlin might have to start with himself. He called many of the defensive plays from the sideline this season. He also took charge of many of the secondary meetings and those with the entire defense.

 

he runs this whole team and is tomlins and butlers boss. director of football operations. i assure you the football here is not operating.

 

That is correct sir....

 

I disagree and why I disagree is cause I feel KB is running MT's scheme. We have players come and go and the same result I feel it is more scheme then player and imo this is MT's scheme.

 

OMG was't there a big thread on here about this...so steelerswire is not credible...........

https://steelersdepot.com/2018/01/bouchette-mike-tomlin-ran-steelers-defense-2017/

 

You know you have an out of control situation when there are questions of who is leading what and when on D. I hope Rooney had this explained to him. The DC should be running the D, period. If not, something is so wrong with him that the HC needs to take over? Then who is accountable? Too late for changes this year IMO so hoping this cluster #### gets straightened out ASAP. This team has been a disappointment going back to Jax. If we can blow out Tampa, some healing may take place and we can start trend in the opposite direction.

 

I'm thinking don't give up 6 TD's to the amish musket and co., but a blowout would be nice too.

 

I would hire Bud Foster Va Tech to be the defensive coach in a heart beat....

 

If Tomlin does not trust Butler to run his own Defense then Tomlin is complicit in this mess. Either way, they are both to blame.

 

I have a hard time believing that our scout department has turned this bad in the past few years of evaluating talent. I'm pretty sure it's a lack of development on the coach's part. I mean, I love Joey Porter but he wasn't exactly a tactician playing LB. He thrived on talent and hype. He has no business being an LB coach.

 

Why do people think he’s calling plays? I saw one comment a while back about 2 calls being made and a lack of communication being a problem, but I think the ex knucklehead at safety was the problem.