Fire Keith Butler

Yupp I've been at school since the beginning of the month due to football camp. Biggest problem Is finally being an adult and adjusting to somewhat living on my own and being responsible. But other than that been a blast so far.

 

Ummm because wentz last yr before he got hurt was playing like the best player in the NFL. And because if they got by those teams with Foles what do you think what have happened to wentz. if you want to say who knows, then you or anyone else here bet to not ever mention us not being healthy again because the impact of losing a star starting QB is far greater than ANY OTHER position. Also we did have an int that put the defense in a bad position I'll give you that but the fumble doesn't count. It was for a td so therefore the defense never saw the field after that fumble. And it was also no turnovers in the 2nd half and our defense couldnt make enough stops to keep our offense in the game. Bortles was torching them with play action and he was doing the simplest of plays it wasnt like they had a great scheme or anything our defense was just that bad. They completely wet the bed on the first real game all season. The 2016 Broncos, 2014 HEALTHY Seahawks, 2017 Pats for a perfect example. They made KEY PLAYS AND TURNOVERS to help their offense win the game even after the offense had turned it over and produced nothing for 2 and a half quarters. The forces fumbled, got sacks, etc.... things our defense did not do. They made ZERO PLAYS THE ENTIRE GAME. ZERO.

 

Fantastic, good luck

College years are great

 

I hate to pour salt in the wound but what is being forgotten is besides last year debacle against Jax ,are we forgetting the previous debacle against NE in the playoffs? 2years ago it was oh we don't have the personnel the play man, so we were embarrassed. They vowed changes were gonna be made. Last year the D seemed ok even though in my opinion the QBs we ended up facing played a huge part. Then we lose Shazier the D goes in the tank and we get embarrassed again in a playoff loss....
The point I'm trying to make is every year we hear ...oh we're gonna try these new schemes and we're gonna do this and that different. Trying not to make a big deal about the GB game but what's disheartening is already someone (Dupree ) is making excuses for the poor performance saying they are trying some new stuff...ok fine we'll see. Just curious as to when we can expect them to get on the same page. The tackling remains poor and players are saying you have to "want to"....why does it seem we don't "want to" then...

The new terminology this year is "Leverage" it's been used by our HC and now the players ( Dupree) are adopting our coaches ' coach speak' ....ugh!. When are the excuses gonna end ? When are we going to get back to a D that strikes at least a little bit of fear into opponents? Yeah maybe Butler shouldn't be on the hot seat......his but should be on fire. Give us fans a defense we can be unanimously impressed with and proud of or Butler and maybe even Tomlin should be " leveraged " out the door...

 

There isn't really a reason as to why this team struggles so much defensive. Before Shazier went down, things were definitely beginning to improve, but the communication issues are real and someone needs to be held accountable for it. Whether it's Butler, Tomline or higher up, it's bad.

The tackling miscues get me more than anything. I understand blown coverages but the defense literally gives up gashes of yards because they can't tackle. It's insane and happens every freaking year.

 

I don’t think I’ve ever adjusted to being an adult, FWIW.

Glad you’re enjoying it so far.

 

I may grow old, but I will never grow up.

 

Bostic looks bad, I know it’s camp but nothing but negatives on him.

Burnett been hurt all camp. All he has shown me so far is he is injury prone.

Edmunds getting the lowest PFF score of any 1st rounder so far.

If those are the big moves to shore up an abysmal D then yea, exciting times.

 

No, no, no, don't you realize? The entire fault of our mistackling is all on the CBA...you know, the same one all other teams are under but somehow can still tackle?

 

Or??????

 

The problem is with execution. Look back at the playoff game against the Jaguars. LT Walton who played something like 45% of snaps for some reason at nose tackle got manhandled/dominated by the center.

the STEELERS led the league in sacks last year SETTING A FRANCHISE RECORD

https://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/12/steelers_franchise_record_sacks.html

the problem is, most of the sacks came off of the blitz. It was required to send a blitz because the PLAYERS did not get a good pass rush on the QB. When you send extra people, you have extra areas open. If the QB has more time, he will find an open area even with the coverage.

The players need to execute, and recently the problem is they need to get back to the basics and tackle.

 

Dude, playing a 3-4 most plays involve a "blitz." Do you consider sending a LB a blitz in a 3-4? That's still just rushing 4. But I know many plays we sent more than 4.

 

What

 

Thanks man appreciate it and lol.

 

Thanks man.

 

Now saying 9-7 is a stretch but I have seen us go 8-8 innthe big ben era with a team I would say overall was more talented than this one.

 

Leverage is by no means a new term. How many practices has our starting defense played together this year? One. Our starting defense has had one day of practice together this year. Let that sink in before you start crying about a preseason game.

 

First of all of I'm not crying about anything , I clearly stated that I was trying not to make a big deal about the GB game . What I said was ,it was disheartening that guys were making excuses about the performance and that others were saying the tackling issues were desire related....that's what "want to " means. You don't think that's a problem for a football team? I do....
There is a pretty good chance that our entire starting defense may only eventually practice 3 or 4 times together ,maybe less. . So are they going to use that as an excuse when the season starts too?
Im just tired of Dupree talking and now he's starting to sound like his HC,he's just full of excuses.


A side note to some of you. Maybe I'm being a little over sensitive at the moment but some of you come across as a little snarky when your opinions don't align with others. There really is no reason and all it does is illicit a condescending reaction. I just don't appreciate being told to let something " sink in " or being accused of "crying" when I have a take or opinion that may be different from yours.
Blast Furnace had a nice line when he was involved in a back and forth disagreement. If you missed it he said " You should debate like the person you are debating is sitting next to you" I think we all know what he means by that... I think that would help eliminate some of the smart alecky stuff that takes away from the best Steeler board on the Internet.
"There is a way to debate without being a dick"....that's my quote.

 

You suck and your opinion sucks.
JK Brother!
I appreciate your posts!

 

You are assuming things not in evidence. Also, those injuries did happen. So did the biceps tear that left Tuitt playing the entire season with one arm. So did Antonio Brown's leg injury that took him out for most of the loss to the Patriots. Do did Shazier's injury. Do we get to to back in time and fix those, too, in your little fantasy?

You also really need to stop going on about the 30 points the Jaguars scored in the first meeting last season as if it were a piece of evidence that works against the defense. The defense gave up 16 points in that game. The real difference was two interceptions returned for touchdowns. Yes, the defense wore down in the fourth quarter, but at least part of that has to be on the offense playing like crap.

Yes, the defense has serious problems and Butler should have been fired after last season, but let's keep our facts straight.

 

He needs to go now. This is getting ridiculous.

 

Is this the “Official Fire Kevin Butler At Your Own Pace” thread?

 

Steelers simply don't have the talent on defense to be consistent. Watt is really the only above average player. Everyone else is average or below average in ability.