Grumble... 3 playoff wins since 2010??

I am glad the ownership doesn't share your view. Winning the Superbowl isn't the only measure of successful season. I would give up watching sports if I felt the way you do.

 

I'm not a fan of Tomlin but I don't hate him either. I view him as a decent to good coach but not great and I don't think we're going to win another SB with him as head coach. It's not the x's and o's either that are his problem. Every year I have to listen to the talking heads on TV rave about what a tough coach he is with the players. That's not evident on the field. Sloppy wins or losses to bad teams in the regular seasons speak more to the fact that the players heads aren't focused. Some are, but not enough to win in the post season. The best thing that could happen to this team moving forward is to be left out when the "experts" talk about contenders. Clearly the team couldn't handle it last year and they, unfortunately, need that extra motivation to play harder. It would be nice if winning a title were enough, but it does not appear to be. I bet if their salaries were dependent on a certain level of post season success, you'd see better play.

 

Over the past decade, the Ravens have made the playoffs 6 times, reached the Super Bowl once, and won once.
The Steelers have made the playoffs 7 times, reached the Super Bowl twice, and won once.

Those are not the stats of a "much better playoff team".

 

Tomlin inheriated a super talented team from Cowher and since he has been HC the offense has drafted and evolved into a top 3 talent wise year in year out. So yes the critiscm he gets for failing to win playoff games is warranted and speaks volumes to the quality of coach he is.

 

They have a top 5 QB
The top RB
A top 3 WR unit
A top 3 OL

And Tomlins speciality is on the defensive side which is one of the worst units in the NFL

 

I fully expect to be flamed big time for this. But......

I hear all the time about the AMAZING! Talent this offense has. A HOF QB, the BEST! Wr in the league, the BEST! RB in the league, a PRoBowl loaded OL coached by an OL genius! Every year, it's an unstoppable, top 2-3 offense, that stalls at the 20, kicks FGs, and finishes 5th to 10th in scoring.

What do you call a super talented offense that has underwhelming performance? The word "overrated" comes to mind. I guess it was all Todd Haleys fault.

My suspicion is that all this AMAZING! talent isn't as Amazing as they and their fans think.

 

I enjoy watching the Steelers. I feel good when they win. But it's time to win another title. The team across the street won back to back. I want another SB. The losses eat at me. I went off work for a month following the AFC title game loss to the Pats. This is serious business for me. Doesn't make me any less a fan.

 

It's one thing to believe not winning a Superbowl is unacceptable and another thing to say it's time to win another title. It's extremely difficult to win the Superbowl. There hasn't been a back to back Superbowl winner in over a decade. I don't see Tomlin going anywhere as long as this team remains competitive. He's helped this team to win games regardless of the adversity the team faced. Winning championships isn't the only measure of success.

The Steelers won a lot of games in the Tomlin era. You should feel better more often than the losses should eat at you. Tomlin proved he could lead this team to the Superbowl. You should be optimistic about this season.

The losses hurt you that badly? Sorry but I'd stop watching sports if I felt I had to take off work for a month. Sports are entertainment for fans. Sports are serious business for owners, players, and anyone that gains financially from the sports industrial complex.

I never suggested you were less of a fan. I guess pointing out a little proper perspective should help you?

 

The thing is that the other teams have just as much talent, production, and coaching as the Steelers. I am not sure why people have a difficult time understanding? Maybe it's because those individuals need to complain or find fault regarding something or someone when the team loses?

 

Yes they are when you consider who the Ravens defeated on their way to winning the Super Bowl in 2012/13. Ravens defeated 2 HOF QBs ON THE ROAD to clinch a Super Bowl berth. Do you honestly believe a Tomlin-coached team could defeat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in back-to-back weeks at Denver and at Foxboro? I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that.

 

I do think a lot of fans think the Steelers have more talent than they really do. Or maybe, more correctly, value a players 'potential' over his actual 'performance'. Read threads on proposed trades, you'd think Landry Jones and Matavis Bryant were ProBowlers based on what some fans think they should get for these guys. And since potential is an open ended hypothetical, you can imagine that the sky is the limit.

So, if you believe this team is LOADED with talent, and yet soils the bed every year vs a bottom feeder opponent or get knocked out of the playoffs by a Tebow or a Bortles, it's gotta be the coaching!

I don't believe the Steelers are bereft of talent, but I think it's got considerable less of it than many other fans do.

 

Flacco peaked for those 3 playoff games. His performance for the last decade is nowhere close to that hot streak.

If you get to pick 2 playoff games to exemplify a decade of dominance, then I'll pick the 2008 Conference game and the 2010 Divisional game. A "much better playoff team" shouldn't have a losing playoff record against the Steelers, right?

(If you want to say that Baltimore is much better against the Patriots in the playoffs over the last decade... sure.)

 

I'm glad you got to plug the Patriots into this conversation! You go from stating how horrific Tomlin is in the playoffs to the Patriots being the benchmark. I think following your logic has made me bipolar!

 

You bring up Flacco... but he was a rookie in 2008, just like Ben was when he lost to Brady/Patriots in 2004/05 AFCCG. OK, I'll give you 2010 win as impressive for Steelers, but beating the Patriots is more impressive since they are the benchmark of the AFC and NFL for that matter. Ravens BEAT the Patriots. Steelers LOSE to the Patriots. And that's a fact. Hell... the Ravens would be 3-0 vs. Patriots if it weren't for the Lee Evans drop and Billy Cundiff who missed a chip shot FG in the 4th quarter of 2011/12 AFCCG.

 

Both are true and factual. No amount of blind homerism and rose-colored sunglasses are going to change that.

 

I don't think I would describe Tomlin as a "horrific" playoff coach but there were a few "horrific" playoff losses (maybe not my first choice word but point made). Hopefully, Tomlin can learn from those experiences.

 

OK name another NFL team who has a HOF QB, top 5 O-line, All Pro RB and All Pro WR. Even with an average to below average D... Steelers should be performing better in the playoffs, IMO.

 

Other teams have top end talent too. The Steelers are not far and away more talented than other teams in the league. Football is a team sport. Obviously it takes more than what you listed to perform better in the playoffs. Especially if you break down why a team won or loss. It could be different factors in each game. The ownership understands and properly evaluates ALL of the factors. Not just, "oh we have a top this or that and we should perform better" BS fans like you shout. Properly evaluating and weighing the factors is one reason why Tomlin still has a job.

Some people still don't understand that other teams have as much talent as the Steelers. If watching the games and reviewing the stats don't prove it to you guys then I guess nothing will.

 

Bull****. Fans of other teams that I know also wonder why the hell the Steelers don't do better in the playoffs. There's a lot of Cowboys, Redskins, Raiders and Panthers fans in my area that I talk to at work and leisure time. They say the same thing I do and ask the same question. Why the hell do the Steelers choke in the playoffs so badly? It starts at the top... head coach. Everybody sees it... not just pessimistic Steelers fans like me.

 

I gave you the answers that you and the others seek. I guess you and the others should let the ownership and GM know that Tomlin is the TOP reason the Steelers choked in the playoffs so badly. I doubt the ownership will agree with that limited assessment of why the Steelers loss.

 

Well... I see several potential mishaps by the FO and Tomlin since the loss to the Jaguars.

1. Not letting Bell go into free agency and using that money elsewhere, while drafting a RB in round 2 or 3.
2. Giving Dupree the 5th year option
3. No ILB in the draft

We'll see how it pans out. Right now, it looks like there's a major talent void at ILB and OLB. This could come back to bite the Steelers big time.

 

At 8 and 7 in the playoffs, you are going to say that it is factual that Tomlin is horrific in the playoffs? If so, there is no point in continue this conversation. I guess someone like Don Shula was horrific also because he was 19 and 17 in the playoffs. What is a word worse than horrific because, according to your logic, I will need it to describe Belichick. His playoff record is 28 and 11, he must be catastrophic (found one) as a coach! Marvin Lewis must be a football rocket scientist.

 

You must not realize Tomlin fumbled the ball, threw interceptions, and allowed the other teams to beat him in coverage on the way to all our horrific playoff losses. I know, I know, Tomlin is responsible for planning and management, but the players have to execute also. Besides, you would think with all the loaded talent we have, our players could overcome Tomlin's bad coaching, right?

 

4 years of having the best trio in the league and nothing to show for it.

2014: blown out by ravens at home (bell hurt)
2015: bengals choked, lost to broncos(no AB, no bell)
2016: blown out by pats in championship(no bell)
2017: embarrassed 2nd time by jags at home

If we are investing in Bell stop riding his butt so hard lol

 

Puh-leeze. We've all seen enough of Tomlin to know that he is a "horrific" game manager in the playoffs. The lack of adjustment on the defensive side of the ball after getting torched in the 1st half with zone coverage... throwing bombs on 3rd and 1 without overriding Ben, Arians or Haley.... questionable onside kicks....inability to use the clock to Steelers advantage.... just to name a few. The tape is proof.