Grumble... 3 playoff wins since 2010??

Yeah... i knew it but to see it in "black and white" in this tweet...

Tweet from Mark Kaboly

Steelers have three of NFL’s top 18 players (according to NFL Network Top 100) and they have 3 playoff wins since 2010.
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Daaaaammmmmmmmnnnnn

Let's get this train rolling dang it!

 

And that stat is exactly why Tomlin needs to go. Regular season success with great offensive talent but his coaching in big games will always hold us back.

 

Philly also have 3 play-off wins since 2010 (all last season, obviously) and none of them were with their guy in the top 10, Wentz.

Aaron Rodgers was put at no. 10, and he missed 9 games last year.

I guess I'm saying that, even though it's really irritating we haven't won more with the rosters we've had, I don't think the ratio of players in the Top 100 to play-off wins is particularly robust.

 

Like I said before.... Tomlin is the new Andy Reid. Great regular season coach... horrific playoff coach. Cowher had many faults in the playoffs, but he more often than not... coached the Steelers to at least the AFC championship game racking up playoff wins in the process.... while mostly doing this with an average QB. So far.. Cowher has Tomlin beat in the playoffs, even with all of the AFC Championship defeats in the 90's and 00's.

 

Well it's 3 more playoff wins than the Bengals have since 1990. Look at the glass half full.

 

Last year was a big wake-up call for the team in the playoffs (I hope). Better bring your A game + something extra to advance. Hate being favorites in a playoff game myself.

 

Actually... with the glass completely full, the Steelers have a lot more than 3 playoff wins since 1990. And a couple of Lombardis.

 

Right on!

 

it's easier to look at it like this...

theres the pats then a whole number of random teams underachieving lol.

 

And yet, Cowher's only Superbowl win was with a better than average QB. Tomlin has 4 years to catch up with Cowher...let's compare then! By the way, Reid is 11 and 13 in playoff wins, Tomlin is 8 and 7 (Cowher was 12 and 9). I don't agree that either record makes them "horrific". To be fair, I have no idea what your definition of "horrific" is. For comparison:
Bill Belichick 28 and 11
Marvin Lewis 0 and 7
Steve Carroll 10 and 7
Sean Peyton 7 and 5
John Harbough 10 and 5 (I was surprised)
Jack Del Rio 1 and 3
Jason Garrett 1 and 3
Ron Rivera 3 and 4
Mike Zimmer 1 and 2
Dan Quin 3 and 2
Sean McDermott 0 and 1
Matt Nagy 0
Hue Jackson 0
Vance Joseph 0
Matt Patricia 0
Mike McCarthy 10 and 8
Bill O'Brien 1 and 2
Frank Reich 0
Doug Marrone 2 and 1
Anthony Lynn 0
Sean McVay 0 and 1
Adam Gase 0 and 1
Pat Shurmur 0
Jon Gurden 5 and 4
Doug Pedersen 3 and 0
Kyle Shanahan 0
Dirk Koetter 0
Mike Vrabel 0
Steve Wilks 0

Either you say stuff hoping the shock value will validate what you say, or you have a wild misconception of what horrific is.

 

OK... so Tomlin is 8-7 in the playoffs, soon to be 8-8 if the Steelers happen to make the playoffs this year with a 9-7 record. What's your point?

8-7 is barely above .500. My gripe is... since 2014, Tomlin has had more talent to work with than any other team, but yet his teams are a huge underachieving disappointment in the playoffs. It IS "horrific" that Tomlin can't win with the talent he has on his roster, especially on offense. I'll give him a pass on 2015 because a lot of that was out of his hands with Burfict and all.

Edit: Oh yeah.. and Harbaugh is a much better HC in the playoffs than Tomlin. Obviously. It sucks, but it's true. Harbaugh vs. Patriots: 2-1, Tomlin vs. Patriots: 0-1 'Nuff said.

 

My point was that Tomlin was not a horrific playoff coach. You compared him to Andy Reid. I showed you his and Andy Reid's playoff records and disagreed with your assessment of horrific. I then went on to give you some comparisons. I thought my point was pretty clear. Now you go in a different direction with Tomlin can't win with this talent. I'd take the time to show you his record, but you can look that up and see he has won more than he has lost. Again I question your definition of horrific. Your not happy with his playoff record which is above .500, and your not happy with his regular season wins which is above .500. Harbaugh only has 2 more wins in the playoffs than Tomlin, that makes him MUCH better? Ok, umm, sure I guess?

 

You missed the edit I made to my previous post:

The Patriots are the benchmark of the AFC since 2001. There is no denying this. They have proven it.

Playoff records vs. New England

Harbaugh: 2-1 vs. Patriots
Tomlin: 0-1 vs. Patriots

That says it all right there. Tomlin has been HC for the Steelers longer than Harbagh for the Ravens. To add insult to injury, Harbaugh won a Super Bowl with an average QB. I hate the Ravens with the passion of 10,000 exploding supernovas and I hate giving them props, but Ravens are a much better playoff team than the Steelers have been over the past decade. Ravens went through a gauntlet of hell to win the Super Bowl in 2012... by beating the Broncos (with Peyton Manning before he regressed) and Patriots with Brady, on the road... while the Steelers lost to Tebow the year before. Nice job, Tomlin.

 

yup. We are patriots little brother. 2008 brady was dead and 2005 we avoided them. 2004 and 2016 they killed us... along with all the other times lol.

We can hope all we want to but fact remains fact, as long as bill and brady are there we will not win when it matters.

in the Ben era we are 2-9 vs brady led patriots team. the 2 times we beat them they went to the superbowl while we got embarrassed in the playoffs lol.

 

This.


People act as if getting to the Super Bowl is the equivalent of walking in the park with the talent the Steelers have/had over the past couple of seasons.



News flash; teams get in the playoffs for a reason. Be it by good fortune, good talent, good coaching or good teamwork, those teams are just as worthy of the Steelers of hoisting "Lord Lombardi" and should not be discredited; circumstances of how they got in being irrelevant.


Examples? This year against the Jaguars and in 2015 against Denver. People were down on Jacksonville heading into the game due to the play of Blake Bortles. For the "Disaster in Denver", Fitzgerald Toussaint and Peyton Manning collectively led to Pittsburgh's undoing. Both games proved just how difficult it is simply to get to the Super Bowl and nevermind winning it.

 

FWIW, my original post wasn't to suggest we should be regularly getting to the super bowl but I can't help but feel we should have been making more noise in the playoffs for the past several years. Starting with that loss to Tebow there's just something missing... Cowher use to make me nuts by not changing things up in the playoffs but it still seemed like the teams had fire. As much as Heinz gets on my nerves with his Eeyore impersonations ( ) i put a lot of that on him for setting the tone. Sure it's the players that have to execute but the coaching staff holds a huge responsibility for getting the team focused on the right things.... BB and JH seem to be able to do that a little better.

 

It's likely we get blown out by the Pats again ( They whipped us during the year) had the Jets not did us a favor in 2010.

Ten years without a SB win is unacceptable. I'm sorry but it is. I don't care if this team goes 16-0. If they don't win a SB, the season is a failure.

 

Meh... Is it disappointing to not win it all year after year even with the talent we've had? Aye... It certainly is. This team could've been the high powered O to win it all in spite of having a disastrous D here lately but it has not. Injuries, suspensions, bad coaching, bad luck, lack of attention to doing ones damn job... It's all relevant and it's all shared by the other 31 teams all season long.

Cowher was a great coach who coached conservatively scared with a game manager QB 99% of his career.
He was a Schottenheimer disciple with a worse general in the huddle most of the time. Tomlin has had what we perceive as a lot of wasted years with a lot of better tools as well as a hamstrung D which we aren't used to around here.

Cowher absorbed Nolls less than talented team but pretty decent D... And was able to keep the D formidable.

Tomlin absorbed Cowhers D and a franchise QB and hasn't recovered very well in the D dept after everyone burned out and got passed by due to Father Time.

This team has been good enough to compete and win it all more than it has but it has not as far as expectations go. Many teams would trade for the success our boys have had even while falling unexpectedly short a few times when they should not have.

I appreciate what they do... Enjoy to see them do it and will continue to praise as well as ***** and moan and keep it all in perspective by the comparative measurement of the other 31 year in and out and wait for that fateful streak once again.

 

I know.



That was not targeted at you. That post was for the common misconception that the Steelers should be Super Bowl bound every season.

 

I think it's a common misconception that most folks here think that

Seriously I think most folks are just frustrated by the sentiment MarkK tweeted and the feeling that the organization is not addressing the things that are "obvious" to all the aspiring GMs here... that we're a lot closer to, say, the Bengals in terms of success in the playoffs over the past several years (ok.... gonna go punish myself at the gym after that comment)

 

I would've been happy with at least a berth. even if we lost, we had a chance to win one.

 

I am the anti-Glenn

 

I feel like glenn is thanos and just snaps his fingers and we start fading away lol

 

The rules and refs haven't helped any, if you get my drift.
One more in the win column and the Jags could of dismantled us a week later than it happened

 

I disagree that Tomlin has had more talent to work with than any other team. People that believe that kind of stuff don't understand football.