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It looks like Jags to remain our Daddy

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Watt Wack, Mar 16, 2018.

  1. SteelerGlenn

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    Hey Kid when your balls drop get back to me. Someday when you mature you'll figure out what's important in life.
     
  2. Watt Wack

    Watt Wack Well-Known Member

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    Andre Reed played for Kutztown, does that mean Kutz is a hot bed for NFL players? If you're not Div 1, it's basically high school ball.
     
  3. NY STEELERFAN

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    By no means am I saying we are perfect but you know what I ain't coming on here talking other teams up I am talking the team I root for up, just like I did last year. As for how it work out well considering we went 13-3 and lost our biggest part of our D at mid season not to bad. I want to win it all just as much as the next guy and when we lost to the Jagoffs I was pissed but oh well move on and get better which we are doing. I guess some deal with it a different way saying how bad we are and when we lose it helps you deal with it better, that's fine to each his own. For me I know we are close and I could give a rat's a$$ about the other teams and if the Jagoffs are lucky enough to make the playoffs I look forward to kicking their a$$ and not talk about how better they are then us......I'm a Steelers fan and I enjoy rooting for this team not expecting to lose to say i told ya so.........
     
  4. FootballAnalyst98

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    Lol. Missed my point entirely. Never said that means every player on their levels make it. Of course their are far more d1 players but their are even d3 players in the nfl. What level you play at doesn't matter if you can play scouts will find you. Lol over half of high school players never play college so how is any level of college basically high school ball? Lol and I'm going to a d1 school and I think your assement is far off.
     
  5. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    You weren’t saying that and, in fact, nobody around here has said we’re perfect.

    This thread has been a series of straw man points and non-sequiturs.

    Fundamentally the question should be: do the moves the Jaguars have done make them a better or worse match up with us than last season? Which is tricky to answer, because a) the answer to the S and ILB issue for us is yet to be clear, and b) we all know that FA signings are no guarantee of being the same players they were before, for better or worse.
     
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  6. FootballAnalyst98

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    So where is there a snip of belichick doing anything like this?
     
  7. NY STEELERFAN

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    JMO but we are better already at S and ILB without Mitchell and Spence being on the team. :smiley1:
     
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  8. steelersrule6

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    The Jags will take a step back next season IMO, their division has improved and Bortles is coming off a injury.
     
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  9. Busman

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    The jags won the first game because of their secondary and ability to make things happen.. 5 turnovers wil do that to you. The second game was lost because of our porous defense especially run defense.. Secondary needs a sh it ton of work.. If they do not improve we wont sniff the lombardi
     
  10. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Well it's a start getting rid of Mitchell, Golden, and Gay.
     
  11. Busman

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    yes that is a great start.. now lets see what we can do replacing them with capable replacements
     
  12. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Half of Div 1 is.
     
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  13. mac daddyo

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    Bus I think they do have a plan to do that in the draft. I do think they plan on going after some LBers and safeties. We also have a couple of capable 2nd year players we are counting on to take that next step. They didn't keep Brian Allen safe on the active roster for no reason. Sutton looks very capable of being a good player. Kieon Adams was a draft pick we saw something in. It was a wasted pick if we don't find out. It's not like they don't have a plan for some of these players. I say stay tuned, the league year just started.:cool:
     
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  14. Blast Furnace

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    BB & TB are the best combination in football, not even debatable.

    Free agency began in 93. So, 25 years ago, still the winningest franchise in that timeline. Steelers were decimated by FA in the 90's more than any team in the league and they just kept rolling along by plugging in the next guy because.... wait for it... great drafting.

    Oh, and salary cap began in 94'.
     
  15. FootballAnalyst98

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    No **** they are he best combination as McCarthy is really not all that great. And in 93 players weren't doing what they do now is what I'm saying. It's not just the nfl it's across all sports players are now taking more matters into their hands. They had free agency but the players didn' act as entitled and they didn' shop themselves around like they do now. They were LOYAL to their franchises... now guys aren' no longer loyal they are all about money and doing wats best for themselves and not their teams...
     
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  16. FootballAnalyst98

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    And So let me ask you this question before tom Brady broke Peyton manning all time game record this year, Peyton manning was the winningest qb ever? And so Brett Favre is more of a winner than Joe montana?
     
  17. Busman

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    You forgot Davis. These are young guys that need some real world experience and good coaching . Teaching the fundamentals of tackling is clearly something which needs to be taught and executed.
     
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  18. mac daddyo

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    Davis will be in his 3rd year as a starter. So will burns. Hilton has a year under his belt and haden has a year in our system. Tom Bradley was brought in to coach them and he will teach them to tackle better. We have added Dunbar to hopefully help an already good D-Line. Butler can help the LB group. Remember he is a long time LB coach too. Draft some top players and we could actually see quite a different defense this year.:cool:
     
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  19. Busman

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    Here is hoping your right because the current instalment of this team is not getting it done.. We get close but can never finish. Even with Shazier healthy I still think we lose to the Jags .
     
  20. NY STEELERFAN

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    I really believe just getting rid of Mitchell will help Davis and having time to find something better than Spence at ILB is a major help. I hate to keep putting the blame on just one person cause it is a team effort but when you go back and watch the games it looks like Mitchell is just standing there trying to play a prevent. He offers no help and is slow as heck, then he makes a play 20 yards down field and you would think he saved the world the way he reacted.

    I am one that isn't so much about the coaching getting better at fundamentals but one who thinks coaching needs to get better at teaching scheme. Put our players in position to succeed not to fail, prime example last years playoff game vs the Jagoffs. Look how we started the game, played to stop the run but played our coverage 5-7 yards off letting Bortles look like Brady. Coaching needs to get better, yeah we need to miss less tackles but if our players are in better position I think that will fix itself. Let's face it these guys didn't make it to the NFL not knowing the fundamentals of tackling.
     
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  21. mac daddyo

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    I think it's both NY. Position and bad tackling. For the last 3 years we have been near the top in missed tackles. Those extra yards add up and keep drives alive. It has started up front. We are having the D-Line rushing the passer more and the OLB dropping into coverage more. That opens up running lanes, gets guys out of position and guys are not getting off of blocks to be in position. The hybrid is fine in theory but it also creates other problems if you don't have players that can do multiple things really well.:cool:
     
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  22. NY STEELERFAN

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    I agree we aren't the best tackling team(to say the least) but I really believe being out of position has a lot to do with it. Guys just don't forget how to tackle and they didn't reach the NFL not being able to tackle and we most defiantly didn't draft guys who miss tackles. Not making excuses for guys like Dupree or Davis they have missed their share of easy tackles just saying as a whole I blame scheme for a lot more of our troubles. jmo :thumbs_up:
     
  23. mac daddyo

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    rules of tackling have changed since some of these guys came out of school. there is a different approach to it now days. tom bradley should be able to help with that. guys they are tackling are also bigger and faster than some had to tackle in college. many things go into missed tackles. practicing it less now than in college too. it makes a difference. :cool:
     
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  24. Blast Furnace

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    Well you say a lot of outlandish things so I wasnt sure you were aware of that. Sure, you can make a argument for Aaron Rodgers as the better QB but so what, that doesnt diminish how great Brady is and that NE winning is due more to him and BB then FA shopping.

    As for things being different and players staying loyal to teams? Laughable. FA just began, players fought for FA and then they arent going to use it? LOL. They were jumping ship in droves looking for the highest dollar. You get mad at the Steelers now with how they approach FA, you have no idea how much worse it was then. At least today they keep their star players for the most part, in the 90's they didnt even do that. Every Steelers fan knew when a player became a FA they were gone. It was frustrating as hell but you know what, it worked for them, they never missed a beat.


    Talk about apples to oranges argument. Doesnt remotely apply to what we are discussing. You're arguing that the Steelers need to change their ways, their track record suggests otherwise.
     
  25. NY STEELERFAN

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    Your right but isn't it the same for everyone, I mean yeah things have changed and yeah guys are bigger but these are the same guys everyone else is tackling no? We are tops in the league at missed tackles, it isn't cause guys are bigger we are playing vs the same guys as everyone else. I really believe we are better by subtraction and now coaching has to step up and put us in the right position. jmo
     

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