Sean Davis ranked one of worst Strong Safties in 2017

I knew it had to be low, but I didn't realize how low... I thought they would have been lower tier middle of the pack, but they are just straight up terrible.

Mittchell is one of the worst starters, and Davis is one of the worst at his position between starters and back ups.

This reminds me of the Lee Flowers days, where Lee got popped for PED's and began to stink, and the guy next to him Brent Alexander is too old and slow in his career at that point.

 

You're right about the defesnive roster for the most part although I'd take Gilmore and butler over our corners as well as the safties of course although haden did a pretty solid job.

 

You mean their are 5 that are worse then him? Yikes!

Maybe if Davis was actually coached properly but now i'm just whining...silly me.

 

Sounds right to me. We have the worst safeties in the league. Not sure either would start for any other team.

 

Safeties can only be coached so much, they also need to have a certain degree of football I.Q. in order to be good. Troy wasn't a great coverage safety but he had good instincts and had a really high level of understanding situational football. He took calculated risks that he was burned on but in critical situations he more often than not either made a play or prevented a play from being made.

I'm not fond of the coaching staff but Shamarko Thomas hasn't been good with the Jets or Bills, so coaching can't cure inability. I say that because Davis seems to suffer the exact same issue Thomas had, he makes bad reads and takes bad angles, and it happens a lot. So I don't think he can be coached up, he is physically gifted but lacks the acumen to play his position any better. You can watch any random game and you'll see him out of position multiple times, his best asset to the team is his tackling.

I think the defensive position coaching could use a significant upgrade but we also need players with ability. I think as far as Davis, and even Burns are concerned, this will be the make or break season for both If they fail to make any significant improvements I think the team will have to just get use to the fact that they missed and move on, I know I could be wrong and this could be the season they "get it" but I'm not holding my breath because they make the same mistakes over and over, and over again.

 

I think you're right about Burns and Davis as far as their talent and what was expected of them coming out of college. However I don't think this is something that can be fixed with scouting necessarily because draft order has killed us when being able to draft the help they need. In a passing league any top notch talent is taken immediately (which comes down to top 3 or 4 taken at any position).....everything else is just a crap shoot. Even if there are players that were drafted later than Burns or Davis on this list that are now ranked higher than both it was still a crap shoot. I think it's more of a coaching issue than scouting personally.

 

I agree with you 100% in that the draft is a crap shoot. We see what is considered to be "top talent" that doesn't make it while some lower round picks become stars, there is no way to tell. You're also correct about drafting order, having a low pick doesn't help but it can be done successfully. The coaching staff is a bit of a problem and it is evident in how certain teams pick low every year and can make use of inferior talent.

The Steelers coaches seem to just sit back and rely on the ability of its stars to win games. I say that because when a star player gets injured the team doesn't look anywhere close, the defense was bad but without Shazier it was extremely bad, other teams can cope.

The main reason I say that the scouting department needs to be looked at is because the talent level of the offense. They seem to have few misses on the offensive side of the ball, but the last few years have been bad for the defense. TJ Watt looks to be a player, but the LB picks, for the most part haven't panned out and the secondary is worse.

I guess I'm looking at scouting a bit more because we haven't had any secondary picks pan out recently. Golson was Mr. Glass, no others are even here, Sutton looks ok but hasn't played enough to really know. I agree coaching is also a problem, one of things the Steelers coaches can't seem to accomplish is making due with the talent they have. I've watched other teams at least change schemes and make an effort to plug up holes they know they have, the Steelers just keep doing the same things over and over and that is what gets fans mad.

You are right about the coaching but I still have to say the player evaluation on the defensive side of the ball is lacking. I don't know if they have individual position scouts but if they do, then the person scouting DBs should be included when it comes to change because that person hasn't done even a decent job even though it is somewhat of a gamble.

 

I think Dion Sanders runs some kind of program for DB`s. We should pay for it and send our guys there, lol.

 

I disagree. For some reason ne continues to find gems late in the round. Malcolm butler was a d2 UNDRAFTED guy and he's better than any db we've picked since troy polamalu. We know how to find offensive talent but we can't at all pick defense.

 

They might have to do some adding by subtracting. It makes no sense to have all this talent on the offensive side of the ball and yet have a mediocre defense. One thing I've noticed about this Patriot run is that they typically have balance on both sides of the ball and great coaching to supplement where they fall short. Why do you have so much pro bowl talent on the offense 8-9 helmets and only 1 on defense? They need to consider a serious trade since they don't appear to have the cap room to sign top notch talent and reconsider seriously tying up money into Bell. I really hope they slap this non exclusive tag on him and someone is stupid enough to bite.

 

must be something that comes down to the interview process u would think then. Artie has better stats athletically and physically (not stronger though) and was obviously higher ranked. Butler didn't participate in any combine and I read where his pro day was pathetic. Has to be a head thing or just something internally within a person that just kicks in that the scouts saw in him otherwise I don't know how the scouts make that call. Butler might have been a bad example for you to use because you almost have to believe it comes down to coaching between those 2.

 

Well, TB is an idiot out of hand. Tomlin doesn't hire or fire asst. coaches, the Rooneys make that call. Start there.

 

Sean Davis is not playing his natural position. As such, he is being set up to fail. Move him to Free Safety considering his range has gotten better since his rookie season and allow him to maximize his abilities.


If having Sean Davis at Strong Safety is still the mainstay, DeShon Elliot from the University of Texas is our only option. He is the only "true" Free Safety in the draft.


One or the other. Should someone like Tremaine Edmunds falls that far, that would be interesting if both Elliot and Edmunds are on the clock for certain.

 

It's important that the FS and SS have a repore and know what each other is going to do in every situation, Clark and Troy said they knew what each other was going to do on any given play, thats team work and the two safeties need that repore to be a dual threat to offenses....

 

And the only way we'll get a S who can make any kind of meaningful impact is to consider trading up like we did with Troy. They need to identify the guy they want in the 15-20 range and go get him. The window is closing and the time to win is now. It may already be too late as I believe we'll see more of Barnyard Ben next season under the new OC, Ben Fichtner, like we used to see under BA. Ben's body can't handle that since he's now in his late 30s. I have a feeling we'll be looking at this past season as the one that got away for seasons to come.

 

Thanks SCNB keep us up to date. You know what were looking for, Steeler type player.

 

No one on their team really that they drafted is top in the draft and they make them work.

Everyone called me stupid for suggesting we trade up....

 

The last two times we traded up we landed Santonio Holmes and Troy, two players who were instrumental to our last Super Bowl win. Time to consider it again if there's a safety we really like.

 

This.

 

Derwin James as I see.


Question still remains; how far does he fall?