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How Can Mike Tomlin Be Better in 2018

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TuRnDoWnForWaTT, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Let's face it. We all know Mike Tomlin isn't going anywhere. If we are being honest, he dosent deserve to be fired. So what changes would you all like to see Tomlin make going into next year? Here are my top 5.

    #5. It's okay to live in your fears every now and then. We promise. We will not question your manhood if you don't throw deep on 4th and inches. Heck, it's even okay if you punt every now and then on 4th and 1. Whatever you do, just please do not blow field position for an entire game trying to be overly aggressive. I think all of Steeler nation is okay with not getting a 4th and inches if you run up the middle behind Nix. At least you played the percentages and allowed your guys the opportunity to push forward for a foot.

    #4. Coach T, it's obvious you are a true wordsmith. No one can handle a press conference like Tomlin. I am positive Tomlin must have taken high honors English classes all through school. But please, during this offseason go back and take some math classes. Your clock management or lack there of is killing us. You can not burn 10 or 15 seconds by not calling timeouts before the two minute warning. You are costing us a play or two everytime you do it. We all know you like to live on the edge. But even the average riverboat gambler can add and subtract.

    #3. Let's focus from here on in on drafting and bringing in only high character players. 2017 was a good start. We can no longer take risks on players with questionable backgrounds. Guys that we draft that were oft injured or problems in college tend to do the same thing when they get here. You can help instill team discipline by only bringing players that all ready display discipline.

    #2. Control Your lockeroom. I know it's hard to sit a star player. But if you lay down the law from the beginning, maybe you don't have players and coaches acting like bafoons all the time. The stuff that went on here during the course of the season reminds me a lot of what a Marvin Lewis coached team looks like. Come on Mike. Your better than that.

    #1. Last but not least, never ever ever go for another 2 point conversion for no God forsaken reason. It just comes across as over confident penis wagging. Again we promise not to question your manhood if you just kick the damn extra point. When you go for 2, and don't get it, it mucks up the flow of the entire game. It's bush league. Please stop.

    That's my 5. Making these changes is the start to a better result in 18.
     
  2. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    #1 Tomlin isn’t the offensive coordinator. That call against the jags was all on the dip**** Haley. However, if it wasn’t for SS being held it likely would have resulted in a first down.

    #2 there are times I disagree with his clock management, but there are also times when I support his decisions one hundred percent.

    #3 Which questionable character players are you referring to?

    #4 it seems to me he did control the locker room. Harrison was benched for his **** and subsequently released. While Haley was fired.

    #5 I couldn’t possibly disagree more. Go for two whenever the situation dictates doing so. Or even when you feel the odds of success are in our favor.
     
  3. Jim90

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    1..fire himself and go to the browns as their DC.
     
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  4. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    #1. Are you trying to tell me Tomlin dosent have the authority to tell Haley to run it up the gut on 4th an inches? Those calls were on Tomlin. He didn't overrule a bad play call not once but twice. If he dosent have the authority to have input on play selection on crucial 4th downs than the problems here are worse than I thought.

    #2. The clock management is mind boggling at times. It's has cost us games before and will again if not corrected. It's bad. Not calling the times before the 2 minute warning cost us 10 seconds. Trust me I played it back twice to see. Your okay with that?

    #3 Martavious for one. Coming out of the draft Walter Football rated him most likely to go to prison. Guys we drafted that were often injured in college have been often injured here which hurts depth.

    #4. David Decastro and Ramon Foster disagree.

    #5. I'm all for going for 2 when the game calls for it. Going up 13 to 10 in the second quarter is not the game calling for it. It's an arrogant over confident thing to do. And this team needs a dose of humility. Like I said please stop. Just manage the game and quit being cute.
     
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  5. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    I'm not totally dissing Tomlin. There are some things he does very well. But he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. He wouldnt accept that from his players. He needs to get better. Some of his moves show a complete lack of football logic. If he would just play the percentages and manage the game tactfully Tomlin has a chance to be a hall of fame level guy. You can still be aggressive without being stupid.
     
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  6. MojaveDesertPghFan

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    You were making a lot of sense until this. They don't award participation trophies at the HOF. But for Santonio and James, this "Hall of Famer" would have a grand total of 0 SB rings. Otherwise TDFW, your critical analysis is pretty spot on.
     
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  7. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I agree that he needs to be a bit more conservative. He took over the type of team he could take chances with, but the team isn't good enough to do that now with our current defense and lack of production in kick return game.
     
  8. SteelerfnVA

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    Quit.
     
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  9. strummerfan

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    If you’re going to make claims like for number 3 and 4 include links. Too many times on this board and others what is inferred by a poster is completely at odds with what was actually said.

    Number 2. No I won’t trust you on anything. Which game are you referring to?

    #1. Micro managers suck complete ass and destroy morale. Hire quality employees and trust them to do the job they were hired to do.
     
  10. thesteeldeal

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    Get to the SB or get to walking....
     
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  12. coldrolled

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    Better?? Should be easy to do.. Maybe some new Pom Pom's
     
  13. Jammasterc

    Jammasterc Well-Known Member

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    Take the Power back!
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Theyve actually been focusing on high character/smarter guys before last draft. Ask Hack (whom you probably aren't familiar with yet) drives him nuts :lolol:

    Bryant was too good a bargain to pass up in the 4th. 1st rd talent there, have to roll the dice.

    Last season they didnt have as much success with the 2pt conversion but how could any fan question them for approaching it the same way after the success they had doing it the year before. Besides, did any of those failed 2pt conversions cost them any games?

    Id like to have a season without the circus atmosphere, team all in, having each others back. Focused one the big picture. Would be nice if Tomlin could get them to all buy into that.
     
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  16. fanforlife

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    Good luck with that. Hope it works out that way for you.
     
  17. 58stillers

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    1) Win 3 playoff games in a row, anything less will be a failure.
     
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  18. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Easy there Tiger. I'm not trying to get your panties in a bunch.

    As for #1, you yourself called Haley a dip ****. So if Haley is a dip **** why would it be micromanaging for Tomlin to overrule a bad play call. Thats his job.

    As for the clock management. I dvr all the games. Watch the Jax field goal drive and watch the clock. 1st play was over at 2:12. If we call the timeout there the clock stops. 2nd down play took 4 seconds. So you call the 2nd time out at 2:08. 3rd down takes you to the 2 minute warning. Next play would be the field goal. We should have received the kickoff with 1:55 on the clock. We didn't. We took the kickoff at 1:45. That was a GAFFFFFF. Had Tomlin used his timeouts correctly we could have tried one last onside kick and had a play to use if we got it. I have no link, it's Dvred on my TV. Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me.
     
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  19. strummerfan

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    Dude, don’t flatter yourself my panties aren’t in a bunch. I called Haley a dip**** because he’s a dip****. He’s 50 years old getting into multiple bar fights and lawsuits while OC of the Steelers. On top of that he can’t figure out how to get along with his coworkers. So yes he’s a dip****.

    You don’t seem to grasp the idea that just because it’s 4th and short it doesn’t mean you automatically run. When they’re stacking the box and manhandling your linemen run isn’t your best option. If it helps I’ll put it another way. If your opponent is selling out to stop the run you don’t run. Now I would have preferred a higher percentage pass. However, there are multiple receivers on the field running routes at various depths Ben made the read on the field. He can’t/shouldn’t force a one yard pass when a receiver is open 15-20 yards downfield. Which in this case was an open SS.
     
  20. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Well at least we are in complete agreement that Haley is a dips ****. :smiley1:

    As for the play calls, If it was 4th and 1 and a half I would almost agree with you. We are talking 4th and inches here. On 4th and inches you run every time in my book. 4th and inches is a gut check. Don't go running around saying you are not going to live in your fears and then be scared your star studded oline can't get you 6 inches. It really dosent matter. The proof is in the pudding. Not only were the two play calls horrendous but THEY DIDN'T WORK. No way you can convince me that if we run up the gut we don't get at least one of those first downs.
     
  21. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Remember the Dallas game. We went for two, didn't get it, and ended up chasing 2 point conversions the whole game. It changed the whole flow of the game.

    On the flip side tell me one time going for 2 for no reason won us a game.
     
  22. Blast Furnace

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    That was a bad game for 2pt conversions for sure, we missed 4 and Dallas missed 2.

    Lost by 5 points though so, cant say it cost us the game. Got the ball back with 9 seconds and 1 timeout on our 25. Moving into FG range was very slim. But lets say it did cost them the game, change the complexity of that last 9 second drive. You had to go back to a game in Nov 2016 to make the point. Not a real sound argument.

    As for games they won because of it? Whats the object of the game? Score more points than your opponent. Every successful attempt went towards winning the game.
     
  23. thesteeldeal

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    4 th and inches is a QB sneak every time and the fact we don't run it or have it in our play book to even practice it is asinine. So that makes the HC a even bigger dip**** than the OC because it's the HCs job and he's ultimately responsible. On the pass to JJSS Ben had Rogers wide open for a first down but did what he always does and forced it in to JUJU . We have to live with the good and bad about Ben at this point.
     
  24. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Blast furnace. Do you know who goes for 2 for no reason? A 12 year old playing Madden. Do you know what else a 12 year old playing Madden does? He kicks onside kicks when hes not supposed to. This is the Pittsburgh Steelers. You can't whine and cry that our players are undisciplined when your coach manages games in an undisciplined fashion. Going for 2 just for the hell of it will never win you a game, but it could lose you one.
     
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  25. dobbler-33

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    Run him out or defend him... He ain't going nowhere. Everybody here knows what should be done with Tomlin staying in place. Some ideas or knee jerks are greater than others without a doubt.

    Bottom line is, he needs to up his game in getting the fat trimmed off the meat. Be it coach/player accountability, game management, game playing (staying focused on the current opponent) etc...

    I think he like a lot of us thought there was a special thing happening this year and probably got caught up in it some, he's human. What he isn't is an Xs and O's Guy... We can admit that. He's an emotional leader that in contrary to his message, lets his emotions get to him at times.

    He's good enough or at least better than a pretty big group of his fellow coaches to get the ship righted. Will he? Idk... But he can. If he does not and this trend happens again next season then I'm good with him being gone and wish him well. I felt the same about Cowher. Messages and leading with "almost" results tend to get lost on folks especially in this day and age of FA turnover when it's almost impossible to keep a core together during their prime in a money driven business that has morphed into something leaving lots to be missed from its glory days.

    I really hope he can turn things around, put the folks under his thumb that need to be spanked. Throw out some mouthy folks who's play ain't cutting it, figure out who's running the damn D and such.

    I'm a little disheartened over the Bell news. Really hoped they'd be scheming for life without him and funnel that money towards areas that could actually make a damn difference in the games that count.

    Hopefully his pay day if it comes to it is team friendly... I see buyers remorse that handicaps areas of needs and an employee who will get his but not be the equalizer others think he is. They've lost without him, they just lost with him. Fix the D, this team can win without Bell or his mystique of being a once in a generation type player which he really is not if you're honest... We've already seen it and you'll see it again next weekend.
     
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