will Haley's contract be renewed for 2018?

I think it will depend on how far the steelers go in the playoff. if they flop again, I don't think Haley will be back next season.

 

I don't see why he wouldn't? I don't really have a problem with him... The offense has been on a roll.

 

This is like when BA was up for renewal and the question of how do you let so and so coach go because they did x, y, and z? The answer is still the same FO and Coach Tomlin have to look at their goals, their achievements, and what is the best move for the team. If Todd Haley has more pros than cons he stays if not they shake things up.

 

If they suck in the playoffs he'll be gone.

 

Who really knows how well Haley is doing.

With players like Ben, AB, and Bell they are obviously going to make plays ... who makes who better?

Also, how much should Haley be credited for the offensive line play? Munchak is a huge part of it as well.

I went to training camp the first year Munch came, it was easy to see how great a coach Munchak actually is.

I still say keep Haley though...

 

To let him go would be a very Charger thing to do. Your team just won their division............again, went 13-3 (a bad rule away from 14-2), went to the AFCCG last year and probably will this year. For all the people that hate him, that's a pretty good record!!

 

Yeah but it will be the because versus the in spite of debate. Throw in the effectiveness of the no huddle aka Ben's play calling vs the game plan.

 

Todd Haley has a very very very long history with the Steelers and the Rooney's going all the way back to the very day he was born. If he leaves the Steelers it will be for another opportunity as an NFL head coach vacancy only and it will be at his own choosing.

I don't agree with all of his play calls but his overall record does not scream FTHI.

 

IMHO the one and only reason that Haley's contract would not be renewed is because Tomlin has a private reason not too. For example, if they don't get along, or if Tomlin is embarrassed by Haley's off the field shenanigans during the playoffs (are you kidding me? playoffs?). I cannot see the Rooney's going to Tomlin and demand that he replace any of his coaches, his team is 13-3. Short of Tomlin wanting to make a change, and I say private because I don't expect Tomlin to err any "laundry" in public.

 

Well then, why have they not given him the extension? Usually the Steelers give extensions the year before they expire or more. I understand the history with his Dad. But it's Art II's team now. The Offense has moved forward once Ben rallied for the No Huddle this season. And it's no secret that Ben doesn't like him. So who stays, Haley or Ben? If it comes down to it you know the answer...

 

I believe Ben would like to see Randy Fichtner promoted to OC.

 

I think the Steelers Depot guys and Stan Savran made the point that if it isn't Fichtner, Ben might say "screw it" and retire. He is too old to want to have to change his ways for a new OC.

 

At some point you have to ask yourself - with all of the offensive talent this team has had for the past few seasons (arguably the best Top 3 offensive performers in our team's history QB/RB/WR), why have they consistently underperformed?

Is it poor execution? Players don't believe in the system, or are too thick-skulled to "get it"? Or is it the OC's gameplans - seeing as how when Ben goes no-huddle and calls the plays, suddenly we march down the field on anyone.

I believe that if we don't win it all, those questions will be in the mouths of several of the people that would make such a decision to keep/fire him.

 

God I really hope not. This team struggles way to much on offense to justify keeping this guy. The talent this team has across the board on offense from qb, wr, rb, and o-line this team should be like the Indianapolis Colts of the Manning years. I just feel we are underachieving way too often to justify keeping this guy around if there is a better option on the table.

 

I don't dislike Haley as much as most do. I see no reason to fire him; I see no reason to lock him up long term.

In my opinion, I like to see coordinators cycled through (usually naturally by getting HC jobs) every few years. I think even the best eventually become predictable with the same personnel around. A coach from within elevated every 3-5 years I think keeps things fresh. Not a complete overhaul, but a different perspective... different play calling method... keeps opposing team's analytic people off guard.

It's a radical idea and probably way too many egos involved, but I'm in favor of multiple playcallers. If you have the luxury of having a veteran QB then use him imo. if Ben can call plays in the no-huddle... why can't he on a normal tempo series? Give him a series or two. Maybe give a series or two to the QB Coach. Each person I think has a different idea of sequencing different plays that it wouldn't allow an opposing team's D-coordinator to hone in on one tendency. Even the best fastball benefits from a well timed curveball now and then.

 

Earlier this season the offense sputtered because there were a lot of new pieces in place, or guys with a lot of rust. I can't fault Ben or Haley for that.

Steelers have often struggled in the red zone, I think if they had a great TE on the roster or if Bryant was a more combative catcher that would dissipate.

 

I would put some of the blame on Ben since he doesn't throw in the offseason and hardly plays in the preseason games. It took the 60+ pass attempt game to get the rust off of him, and it took a few games to get the rust off of Bell, and Bryant was garbage too.

 

I read the other week that Ben asked Tomlin to have the QB coach on the sideline and not up in the box. Ben demanded that the qb coach be the go betweener with he and Haley...basically it said Ben wasn't speaking to Haley on the sideline.

 

top 5 qb, best WR, best RB, top 5 line, top 3 #2 wr, top 3 kicker, and we are 8th in scoring lol.

 

Never work... As you said too many egos and it seems hard enough to get certain people get along with certain other people while preferring other certain people. We thought the end of the game against NEwas a cluster ****? Add a few more headset opinions in that mix and stand by. Has to be a degree of consistency and consistency in communication. That idea would never work, just not enough hours in the day or minutes on the clock.

Predictable O... No huddle O... Injuries/under performers/suspensions/team drama etc... All played a hand in that stat category to date. As did Eli, and Bryant hitting a bit of astride and JuJu wrecking house as a very young pup.

those stats are probably pretty accurate and I think are a big reason why this O is predictable... The studs are expected to execute as it seems to be in sport logic, that execution Wins the day. Like I said earlier in the season, opposing D's are taught to execute as well and in my opinion... It's easier to execute what you already know is coming. That goes for all teams and both sides of the ball.

I was HUGE on bringing in Haley and have grown sour on him. He's done some good things no doubt, but is just flat in my thinking. No creativity and has seemed to lose Ben completely if he ever had him to begin with. I thought he'd be more of an edgy OC that they needed at the time but seems to have just fallen in line with accepting a paycheck and trotting out a unit that's gonna get the job done based off of talent and the stat rankings of some super stars this team has been fortunate to field.

I really think some of the mentality round here with the staff is, "We got the men to do it so it'll work itself out". Sometimes it does, but yet with all the talent... Coaches and players across the league get to tweet how predictable the unit is.

The no huddle can hide that absolutely and has been nice to see and maybe is where your superstars stats pop to life and overrule the oppositions preps and executions for predictable play... But you can't always play that ace in the hole for 60 week in and out.

Maybe Haley wants to be more creative but is hushed up due to flat out refusal from Ben... I doubt it.

I don't know if Fichtener coming in helps the O down the road, don't really think Haley has much more to add as he is already stale it seems. I doubt Ben wants a new coach in his ear outside of his QB coach whom he's already good with. I don't know that Fichtner will be able to get much more out of Ben than the organization already has... But can he keep the O fresh? Or will he just sit back and hope stars make the plays that other stars know are coming and mix in some no huddle to boot?

All I know is, is that purely as far as being a creative offensive coordinator goes Haley is leaving a bit to be desired as far as I'm concerned.

 

If Ben says it’s his or me, Haley is gone.