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How is this a TD and Jessie’s is not?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by InBenWeTrust, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. InBenWeTrust

    InBenWeTrust Well-Known Member

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  2. Jim90

    Jim90 Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't against the cheats
     
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  3. Jammasterc

    Jammasterc Well-Known Member

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    he took two steps, or completed the football move.
    it's all really a possible scam setup.
     
  4. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Because he caught it, took a step and then jumped for the end zone. James was clearly falling all the way on his catch tonight. Honestly, I think they blew the call on the Grimble TD.
     
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  5. We need a change

    We need a change Well-Known Member

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    They would say that he took a step or “football move” prior to diving forward. At that point it’s like a runner just needing to extend the ball over the line. Thy don’t consider James making the catch because he only turned and fell forward. The thing is is that you could not see the ball hit the turf and it was called a TD on the field. You don’t overturn without seeing the ball hit the turf
     
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  6. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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  7. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    That’s just too funny. Thanks for the laugh lol
     
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  8. oldschool

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    Once his knee was down in bounds before he crossed the plane there was total control and no ball movement. His knee was down and he was untouched, at that moment he should become a runner and as he stretched (still untouched) which IS a football move, then crossed the plane and it's a TD.


    *******What if he caught it at the five and a step or two and then dove? Would he still not be a runner? It's exactly the same thing, just much closer and a faster series of events. Just like the Grimbal play*****

    I mean, at what point does he go from being a receiver to a runner?
     
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  9. steelamazing

    steelamazing Well-Known Member

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    if James TD was ruled not a catch, if you use the same criteria, Grimbles was not a catch
     
  10. Jammasterc

    Jammasterc Well-Known Member

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    OMG!
    Dallas at Raiders game right now.
    The ball clearly hit the ground. Catch ruled.
     
  11. oldschool

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    Grimbal's catch and TD was good because he became a runner and crossed the plane. What happened afterward doesn't matter.

    Same as Jessie's tonight except that the play in this game was a much a much faster turn of events because of it's proximity to the goal line.

    Here's the rule.

    ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

    ( a ) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
    ( b ) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
    ( c ) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).

    Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.
     
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  12. steelamazing

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    based on this, james was a runner and there was no evidence to overturn the ruling on the field
     
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  13. NDsteelerfan

    NDsteelerfan Well-Known Member

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    and that is the problem with the rule....no one knows
     
  14. NDsteelerfan

    NDsteelerfan Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, now I'm even more pissed
     
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  15. steelamazing

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    this is highly disturbing, each time I watch the replay, the only thing that is conclusive is the ball moved, there is no undisputable evidence his hand was not under the ball, based on the criteria of the rules, and need for undisputable evidence to over turn a call, the review process did not follow protocol, and to do that with so much riding on that decision is simply unacceptable
     
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  16. blackNgold

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    And it’s even more disturbing that they have to release statements and videos to try and explain why. Instead of just owning up and saying it should have been too close to call and not enough evidence to over turn. Horrible.
     
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  17. Jammasterc

    Jammasterc Well-Known Member

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    If it’s the Super Bowl, what’s the call?
    TD.
     
  18. blackNgold

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    It should be, but the “experts” would have no choice but to call it incomplete.
     
  19. MadtownDruankard

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    they over turned the rule on the field. that's what makes it even more crazy
     
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  20. Lizard72

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    All he really had to do was roll...


    Roll into the endzone and we’re not having this discussion l...
     
  21. bigbenhotness

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    Had this been the playoffs I think I would’ve done something stupid
     
  22. Lizard72

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    The overturn was the problem.

    Nothing I see there shows the ball actually touching the ground or his other hand not being under it. The ball can move on a completion going to the ground.
     
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  23. blackNgold

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    Not only that but it looks like he controls the ball again at the point they claim it hits the ground. Ugh I hate the patriots and how lucky they get literally every season.
     
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  24. Steel_Elvis

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    Like many, what I find troubling is that there is inconsistency in how the NFL officials determine what is and isn’t a catch in these situations. If the call on the field had been incomplete, I would have grudgingly accepted not having the call reversed. However, there was no way to say indisputably that JJ lost control. His right arm/hand were fully under the ball at all times. I’m still pissed after sleeping on it.
     
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  25. FeedTheMachineFTM

    FeedTheMachineFTM Well-Known Member

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    Food for thought ,,if he was touched with his elbow down and both hands firmly on the ball while it is clearly over the line ,whats the call then
     

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