If you had your choice, would you give up on Tomlin?

O'Donnell's heart never seemed to be in Pittsburgh and he seemed to spend most of his mental energy trying to get out. First he signs an offer sheet with the TB Bucs, which the Steelers matched, and then he leaves after the Super Bowl when the Steelers were starting to build something. If he'd stayed in Pittsburgh and won a Super Bowl or two, he'd be viewed a lot differently today by the Steeler faithful.

 

I think you should apply immediately! I bet all of the problems and issues would be gone and we would be undefeated every year. They would pay you millions of dollars to do what so many have not been able to do. Championship after championship year after year under your stern direction.

 

You mad bro?

 

Tomlins coaching career in Pittsburgh is similar to that of a yoyo. Yes, he has an impressive win loss record and he has a SB ring to go along with it but nobody can deny that he plays down to competition and when he does suffer an embarrassing loss he usually rebounds like we saw over the past 2 weeks. I like him as a players coach but as a game planning strategist, not so much.

 

He's Dan Bylsma 2.0

 

How does Tomlin play down to the competition, since he's not on the field as a player . Why can't the Browns beat the Steelers then, they have like 2 wins over Tomlin.

 

I love the analogy that he has nothing to do with anything. Its never his fault!

 

It's a team thing not just the HC, in many of those losses to lesser teams Ben plays like crap. In the loss to Jax Ben threw 5 ints, and two pick sixes but it's Tomlin fault .

 

Yeah makes you wonder how he mentally prepares his QBs before a game. I mean that's a coaches job, to have them prepared during the week right?

 

You didn't see the Rats game a few years back? He missed the tackle big time.

In all seriousness though. Coaches play the game in a fundamental way just like any poker player, chess player, checkers player, ect..... And yes he does play down to the competition time and time again in that regard. He doesn't have to be physically out there making the plays to still play the game.

 

Yeah because the coaches slack off and don't gameplan when they play a so called lesser opponent , it's just one of those fluky things that seem to occur.

 

A HC isn't going to prepare his QB for a game duh, that's why they have a QB coach and a OC. You don't know how they prepare during the week, you aren't privy to their practices.

 

Do you know how moronic you sound?

 

You are correct but you are forgetting a very important point.....The QB. The difference is Tomlin has a QB, even a 60% Big Ben is better than what the Browns, the Bears, or any number of losing teams have. So if Ben retires after this season and Tomlin begins losing games in bunches, what will the excuse be? I know what the argument will be, you'll say "well he hasn't had 10 years of top draft picks yet", but the truth of the matter is the QB makes such a huge difference it isn't even funny. Remember, we have witnessed the Steelers without Big Ben, and as much as we are all hating on him right now we know without him there is no chance. So don't compare losing teams with the Steelers and say they are losing because of coaching, it is because those teams haven't found a QB and all you need to do is look at the Houston Texans, a team with almost zero offense and they are now scoring 30 points a game but according to your logic the coach must have magically changed or had some divine intervention because before this season they were lucky to score 17. I guess the Colts coaches were horrible, after all they make the playoff one season and then followed it up with a 2 win effort the next, the only change was no P. Manning. You make a good point but a good QB makes up for a lot of problems, Green Bay without Rodgers is showing how bad their defense really is but it is on the coaching staff I guess. I think you misunderstand my criticism of Tomlin, I don't think he is a bad coach and he shouldn't get the blame for every bad game, but you have to admit there is a fundamental problem with his coaching style, whether it is the way they prepare or some other issue, there is a problem. It isn't just losing to sub.500 teams but the way in which it happens, last season it was the Eagles, a 7-9 team blows the Steelers out, 34-3, not just a loss but a blow out loss, then the Jags this year, and the same thing every season, it happens with such regularity that guys can predict it and fair or not, it falls on the coaching staff and that is the responsibility of the HC. Yes, all coaches have their teams lay eggs but not so consistently that, in all honesty, I would not be afraid to drop a few hundred dollars betting against the team when playing a lousy team away. Vegas even has a line now about the Steelers record versus sub .500 teams, that is how obvious it is and like I said, it isn't all his fault but there has to be some underlying issue with how he coaches that it happens consistently enough for articles to be written about it and for mention of it on T.V. sports shows.

 

And here all along I thought it was Ben throwing the ball and Haley and Ben calling plays ?

 

If he loses, it’ll be because he’s a lousy coach.
If he wins, it’ll be because he’s got incredible talent on both sides of the ball.

Wow, this “Tomlin Sucks!” Game is easy!

 

Sorry but I have to agree with the team sport concept along with coaching. Ben has not ever been nor will he ever be an elite QB and even if he was that does not always guarantee success, for ex: The saints record the last 5 seasons; 7-9, 7-9, 7-9, 11 - 5, 7-9 AND THIS is with Drew Brees who i do consider to be an elite QB.

When Ben retires we will be right back to what COLBERT, TOMLIN & HIS STAFF helped assemble which is a powerhouse Defense (just have to replace Mitchell), Solid Offensive Line, Top Receiver and RB in the league (as long as Leveon stays). All we will need is a QB who can make a few throws when called upon while relying on a strong run game and Defense (same as Houston)

Does Tomlin have his issues...sure all coaches do but he remains one of the best in the league ESPECIALLY in the Football months of November & December down the stretch and I have never seen the Steelers pack it in for the season with him at the helm, bad games yes but again what coach hasn't had bad games?

 

Not on this board. The storyline goes more like. Tomlin needs to move on to his lifes work after a Steeler loss. If it's a Steeler win then Tomlin did not win because of anything he had done. They won because he inherited Cowhers players. lol

 

Na not mad, just a lot of scar tissue from coaching youth league lol it can be brutal.

 

I sometimes feel like we have been wasting Bell's and Brown's career years with inept coaching.

 

I also think Ben was a better QB under Cowher than under Tomlin. But that's obviously obvious!

 

Then how come Ben stats are better under Tomlin?

 

The only time those two played together in the playoffs was last season, injuries played a role.

 

Oh, so you are actually giving credit to Ben because a few post before you were cussing his picks and pick 6's...are those stats too?

Are you new to sports?