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Has anybody considered trades that will effect the Steelers?

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by Wardismvp, Apr 9, 2017.

  1. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    It should be interesting to see how other teams
    making trades and moving in draft order up or down
    effect the Steelers possibly first three picks. Blows the big boards way out of whack.
    I have read some scenarios, I too feel this maybe a wheelin and dealin type draft?
    I hope we have all the bases covered and are prepared.
     
  2. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I thought about if a player like Deshaun Watson falls to #30, then the Steelers should be on the phone to try and trade the pick to a team looking to get back in the first round for a QB.
     
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  3. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'm thinking that I might want to trade up in the 2nd depending on how things unfold. This draft is deep with guys at edge, CB and safety who may make it to the 40's - 50's, but would be late first rounders in a typical year. I think a lot of guys who can help us will come off the board between our 1st and 2nd rounders. I rarely ever want to trade up, but I'd be ok with an aggressive move up in the 2nd to get a falling edge, corner or safety.
     
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  4. turtle

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    Yes that 2 round is going to be full of great picks, been saying I wish we had 2 second round picks.

    I think a good scenario for a trade with a team looking to get back into the first would be if the teams picking in the top 15 who have obvious QB needs - Clev, San Fran, Chic, NJY - don't actually go QB in the first round and then want to jump back in. If by some chance the first QB off the board is to Arizona looking to get younger behind Palmer and then Houston takes the 2nd QB, then teams will definitely be looking to jump New Orleans with an aging Brees and the rest of the teams at the top of the 2nd.
     
  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I see where you're coming from, but that's a long way to trade back from Pick #30. I'm in "win now" mode, and it's tough to envision a scenario where I'd feel comfortable dropping down to the mid 2nd round. Maybe dropping down a few picks to one of the top 2 or 3 picks in the 2nd round if someone wants to make sure that they don't get leapfrogged, but only of there are 3 or 4 guys that we have graded nearly identically in quality and positional need. I was thinking more along the lines of using Pick #30 on the BPA at a position of need, and then trading up in the 2nd if another key chess piece falls into range.
     
  6. turtle

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    this is what I was thinking, although not as clear in my post. If San Fran, Chic, NYJ see that 2 QBs are taken by Ariz and Houston for example and they haven't got one, then they may want to jump back in to secure the next available. I still think a similar graded player would be available in the top of the second plus you get additional picks to trade back into the 2nd or 3rd, or keep for trading up next year for QB. This was my original intention when I wanted to trade down and grab Engram earlier on. But I think I'd rather go OLB/CB than Engram knowing more about the players.
     
  7. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my initial post,
    How will trades other teams make hinder/help
    our Steelers. I have a feeling there is going to be
    wheeling and dealing going on. Will it throw off our board?
     
  8. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Possibilities are endless, how about Wahington? I would
    think they would have to be in the QB derby? It should get real interesting with cap
    numbers rising the amount of (risks) teams are willing to make.
     
  9. TarheelFlyer

    TarheelFlyer Well-Known Member

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    Living in Carolina, I am hearing the Panthers want to move back into the 1st round. I heard picks 40 and 64 to move back in. That would be a high price for our pick, but if you got that 40 pick plus a 3rd. That would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. That is something we could definitely work with. Plus, we would only be moving down 10 picks.
     
  10. 58stillers

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    I'm not sure there's any "sure thing" players around pick 30 that other teams are going to be jumping near or around us for. Most of the trade in the top would be for a potential franchise QB, which won't affect us at all.
     
  11. Diamond

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    I doubt if their thinking about trading for a 30 pick, they would be better off staying at 40 than trading for a 30....
     
  12. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Per the trusty trade value chart they could get to around pick 22 or 23 with 40 + 64. If they indeed want to make a trade to target a specific guy, odds are someone else takes that deal before they get all the way to pick 30.
     
  13. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    It should be real interesting JMO in the 30- to 70 range
    a lot of good ball players in this range. You also have
    teams reaching even into the first round on a player
    that really may not belong in the first round, Jarvis Jones anyone.
    Better get it right with those first 2 selections, or your fan base is
    going to rip you a new one. Unless you come up with a 6th round HOF
    selection. LOL. Business is BOOMING.
     
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  14. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Interesting, what player would they(carolina) target to give up potentially that much?
    I am not close to what the Panthers needs are but the last time I paid attention to them
    they couldn't protect Cam? Is there an OL in the 22-24 range that you would be willing to
    trade that much for?
     
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  15. TarheelFlyer

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    The Panthers have a couple of needs...

    OLine
    Defensive End...true hand in dirt 4/3 DE
    WR
    RB

    There has also been some talk of getting a replacement/mentor at the TE position with Greg Olsen getting up there.

    Those are their needs. I have no idea if they would target anyone, but there was a ton of talk about moving back into the first yesterday. The only way that works is if someone they really want to target is still sitting there at 30, at least if we are going to make a move. I do not believe the value is right for their 2 2nds, but I could see their first 2nd and their 3rd maybe.

    I've seen Derek Barnett talked about a lot at the #8 spot.

    I would think in order for a trade to work for us, it would needs to be a guy slipping. Guys like John Ross, Corey Davis, Cam Robinson, or David Njoku.
     
  16. SGSteeler

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    Maybe, but NE and Atlanta are certainly not looking for a QB... so they will be trade options too. We're not going to get a "desperation" price for the pick with two picks behind us surely going somewhere other than QB.

    Plus that 5th year option is huge imo. Is that worth and extra 4th or 5th rounder to love into the early second? I don't think so. Imagine having a 5th year option for Bell or Tuitt... that would save us some headache and money.
     
  17. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    NE doesn't have a first round pick, a team may want to trade back into the first round at #30 if Watson slid that far.
     
  18. turtle

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    Especially if they think New Orleans is looking to groom someone behind Drew Brees
     
  19. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think trades could wreak havoc on this draft. Nor going to be fun when I do my mock!

    There are no elite QBs but a bunch of capable ones.
    RBs will be in style this year.
    Different flavours of WRs this year.
    Explosive type TEs.
    Shortage of OL and DL guys which may cause people to reach.

    I think there will be alot of trades in round 1 especially on the back half. I think the teams at the top are stuck with their picks.

    With the value in round 2 this year, I would really consider trading next year's 1st round pick to jump back into the top half of round 2 this year. This would easily let us fix or secondary woes while making sure we get our pass rush taken care of too.

    Think of it. Would you trade a future 1 to trade for Sidney Jones? I know I would. Imagine walking away with an OLB, 2 CBs, a S and an offensive playmaker all within the first 3 rounds? Sign me up!
     
  20. pjgruden

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    The issue I have with that Steel City is the what does the team do next year with the deep QB class? Hope one just falls into their lap in round two?
     
  21. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    Outside of Sam Darnold and Luke Falk there is probably alot of uncertainty still. We can't see the future on that one.

    But even if Sidney Jones doesn't play this year, to be able to get him with likely a late 1st round future pick, while not taking away a pick in a deep 2nd round this year sounds good to me.
     
  22. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I also believe trades will play a big factor in this draft,
    I think it could be very interesting to see what our Steelers will do.
    Will they be aggressive and go after somebody? Only time will tell,
    I am hoping for a sucessful draft and really if they fall in love with certain type player they are willing to go all in and make it happen.
     
  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    If we trade next year's #1, and Ben really does decide to retire after 2017, then what? No way do I part with any future pick. At some point we may need them to get our QB.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree. I also feel there is enough available talent in this draft that you can find a very good player without mortgaging the future.
     

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