Colin Cowherd vs. Mike Tomlin 2.0: The Battle Rages On

RPO IZSB · Jan 6, 2017

MadtownDruankard said: ↑

Yes, that's true. And your point? You named one coach with a HOF QB. You saying there's only one coach that had 1 playoff win in 6 years with a HOF qb? If that's the case Tomlin is worse then we thought.

Shula's 10 seasons with 3 playoff wins and a SB loss with Dan Marino at QB is a total failure, especially when compared to his previous 20 years before Marino showed up.

Shula's best years were in the 60's and 70's where he earned coach of the year 5X. 2 SB's and a NFL championship. That's why Shula is a HOF coach. Not because of his years with Marino. We are also now in the age of the QB. Once passing started taking over the game league wide good QB's won playoff games.

Somewhere there has to be a win/loss record for coaches with HOF or even all pro QB's. Shula's record wasn't good either. How about Manning, Brady, Farve, Young, Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, etc. You can probably add another dozen to this list. I'm pretty confident 1 very lucky win in 6 years doesn't stack up to the rest. And the QB's that didn't win, were playing for coaches that weren't very respected.
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I love how lost it is on some people... Mike Tomlin is part of the reason Ben is likely headed to tha HOF

But I'll play along...

Brees/Payton missed the playoffs the last 5 years, and only has 2 wins in the last 7 years

Eli/Coughlin has one super bowl in the previous 7 years, and missed the playoffs the 6 other times (until this year)

The narrative about the last 6 years doesn't fairly take in to account the rebuild. Again, it's what Tomlin haters create as a narrative to prove that they are stupid.

BigBensBigBong · Jan 6, 2017

RPO IZSB said: ↑

Chuck Noll won 10 games ONCE in his final 12 seasons, he missed the playoffs 8 times, he won 2 playoff games in that entire time span.

Why didn't he develop more steel curtain players? You can't say **** like, "Tomlin only won with Cowher's players" and at the same time excuse Noll for the rosters of the 80s.

The reality is that Tomlin haters have created ridiculous parameters for judging Tomlin... because they continue to be wrong about his ability as a head coach.
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Noll, and the Steeler organization as a whole, did not understand the importance of the QB position and that would be my explanation for the championship drought IMO. They were stuck in the defense first mentality and all you need after that is a QB that manages the ball and does not have to be elite. I was sick of the lousy to mediocre QB`s we suffered with though the 80`s and 90`s and early 2000`s. Neil O`Donnel was the best "manager" we found during that time, but good was not good enough. It`s a shame Miami planted that story about Marino doing weed so we would not draft him. We would have had at least two more S.B`s had we drafted him.

Once the rules started changing in the 70`s, it favored passing the ball. Fortunately for us, Bradshaw matured from a manager to an elite QB just in time when just defense alone could not win the Super Bowl anymore.

Blast Furnace · Jan 6, 2017

BigBensBigBong said: ↑

Noll, and the Steeler organization as a whole, did not understand the importance of the QB position and that would be my explanation for the championship drought IMO. They were stuck in the defense first mentality and all you need after that is a QB that manages the ball and does not have to be elite. I was sick of the lousy to mediocre QB`s we suffered with though the 80`s and 90`s and early 2000`s. Neil O`Donnel was the best "manager" we found during that time, but good was not good enough. It`s a shame Miami planted that story about Marino doing weed so we would not draft him. We would have had at least two more S.B`s had we drafted him.

Once the rules started changing in the 70`s, it favored passing the ball. Fortunately for us, Bradshaw matured from a manager to an elite QB just in time when just defense alone could not win the Super Bowl anymore.
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I don't agree that the Steelers and Noll didn't understand the value of the QB position, thats a bit insulting to very smart football people like Noll and the Rooneys. Its just very hard to find franchise QB's.

As for Marino, Rooney wanted him, and they would have drafted him until he was overruled when the front office learned a writer was influencing his opinion of Marino.

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