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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SteelerGlenn, Nov 6, 2016.

  1. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    Well I guess Cowher should pay attention to what's happening around the NFL these days. It appears that just about every team is an inconsistent football team (except for possibly the Pats).
     
  2. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    But I thought our team had such a wealth of offensive talent that we were almost shoe-ins to be competing with home-field advantage throughout the playoffs. Now we'll be fighing for the sixth seed.
     
  3. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    Did you forget that the coaches found ways to win games when they didn't have Ben at times? Now when the coaches and team have Ben it changes the complexion of the team. The same holds true for the Pat. They got Brady back just in time or who knows how ugly it would had gotten in NE. Coaches can only plug holes for a short period of time without great players. Let's see what happens to Bellichick after Brady retires.

    Would you agree the defense kept the team in the game even when Ben struggled today?

    It's a slippery slope to pull a franchise QB for ineffectiveness. I believe coaches have faith and the belief that players can and will eventually perform better.

    I am not sure how the team is over reliant on the QB in a QB driven league. After all, QB is the highest paid position in the league. The QB's get paid a lot to perform. Ben didn't have it today and as a result the team loss. There were other issues (penalties and blocked punt) but Ben's play was at the top of the list as the reason why they didn't win today.
     
  4. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    Did I say that? I've been watching this game for to long to realize that games are not won on paper.
     
  5. JAD

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    At some point in a game OC Haley and HC Tomlin have got to get a feel for the game in front of them.

    1. Even a blind mice could see we were not going to run up the middle. And yet we continue to do the same thing over and over again. Just plan stupid play calling, when they have so many people in the box. We couldn't run against the Ratbirds even with Bettis, and besides they have everybody crowing the middle.

    2. We rely too much on Bell, period. We know Ben was hurting, Ratbirds knew Ben was hurting, so where are the short quick throws to Eli and others, not until Haley stops calling the plays in the Fourth Quarter and we go into a hurry up then we start getting the right plays called.

    3. Coats right now is useless and has been for the past 4 games when he got his hand hurt. He is actually hurting us now. He hasn't caught anything worthwhile for how many games now.?

    I know Ben played bad for 3 quarters, but I blame this loss on Haley and Tomlin. Haley for calling his worst game ever for 3 quarters. And Tomlin for letting him continuously run up the middle and for still keeping his Special team coach for not having the end guy blocking on the blocked punt, and trying the crazy on side kick.

    Defense played well enough for a win today. It's a shame the offense didn't show up especially the coaches.
     
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  6. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    just curious, but do the players get a pass?
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Nope, Cowherds still a dick.

    Ben was awful and lost Pouncey 2 plays in. That's it in a nutshell.

    Want to rag on Tomln for not sitting Ben, go ahead but you'd have a hard time finding any other coach who will sit a franchise QB when he's physically able to go out there.
     
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  8. pittb86t

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    NO. Coaching adjustments is key. If the defense is going to sell out on Brown and Bell, then the coaches need to get the ball else where.
     
  9. STEELWARRIOR

    STEELWARRIOR Well-Known Member

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    It always plays out like this...former players gets revenge on former team Steelers should have been prepared for this. But was not.
     
  10. DwarfToss

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    Typical unintelligent analysis, focusing on symptoms and not the cause. Tomlin and Haley ran a conservative, run-run-pass offense, with 3 bad blocking TEs, and got predictable results.

    This movie is getting old. Hopefully it ends differently this year, with that empty suit of a head coach getting fired.
     
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  11. STEELWARRIOR

    STEELWARRIOR Well-Known Member

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    We as Steelers fans need to accept the fact, that us dominating the AFC North Division or enjoying a dominating season for that matter is not gonna happen ...every year were gonna be losing to bottom tier teams that we should easily beat, key players always injured. We are not that team.....anymore the sooner we accept it all we can do is prepared for the worst and hope for the best. GO Steelers!!!
     
  12. BURGH43STEL

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    Don't you mean Ben needs to make better decisions? For example, on the Steelers 2nd series of the game Ben had time, an open Bell, and another WR breaking open and he decided to take a deep shot to Bey instead of taking the high % pass play to sustain the drive.

    Ben had the option to change the play if the box was stacked.

    The Steelers ran the ball with Bell 14 times and passed 45 times. I don't understand how they relied on Bell to much in this game. Maybe Ben didn't see the open WRs or didn't hit them when they were open? They did go no huddle in the first QT and Ben still struggled. They started moving the ball because Ben threw the ball well inside and outside of the pocket. I am not sure how much of it was due to prevent by Ravens defense. We shouldn't just assume it was Haley's play calling.

    If Ben played poorly for 3 QT's how is the loss on Haley and Tomlin? IMO it falls mostly on Ben. Coaches look bad when players don't perform up to their abilities. The Steelers only ran the ball 15 times out of 60 offensive plays.
     
  13. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    Mike Wallace burned us once... ONCE!
     
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  14. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    I have been real hard on this defense and they played well today. I thought Jarvis was all over, I thought Artie played good in his 1st start, I like seeing JH making a difference and I like Gay coming on the blitz. I will say Mitchell for being a big hitter is an average tackler, and this isn't based on his missed tackle on Wallace. Tuitt and Heyward are studs and played like it today and when Shazier is healthy we are a much much much better D.....

    Now onto the offense, we all know how Ben plays in his st game back from injury but this game plan sucked. I know they were double and triple covering AB but man I feel you have to get the ball in his hands early. He is our playmaker and he is the guy who can get Ben going, where was the quick slant or the bubble screen? If they stop that then it could open up Bell out of the backfield or James behind the LB's or Coates deep. Our offensive game plan sucked and really didn't help our QB who comes back SSSSLLLLOOOOWWWWWW!

    Now a question I can't remember who it was(maybe Bell) that caught the pass with 3:15 in the 2nd quarter and ran out of bounds but the clock never stopped....why? I think this was an issue before half that cost us some time and the way we went at the rest of the drive, jmo. Also wtf was that rush on the punt, here we have them stopped and ready to punt and 1st we go offside then we rough the punter, OMFG. What was it like 4th and 17 then it ends up being a 1st down for them..wow! Penalties today have me speechless, did we switch teams with the Raiders? Sorry but this is on coaching and I don't mean like fire Tomlin coaching I mean let's see how we look next week and how MT and staff corrects this problem. I think in the Collin Cowherd thread there was enough fire Tomlin crap, this comment is about how MT and his other coaches will fix these mistakes. We are a young team am we need the coaching staff to step up and nip this **** in the ass.

    Ok best I can do after a loss while trying to stay positive with yet another big game coming up next week. Ah crap who am I kidding they are all big games from here on out.........
     
  15. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    When the game plan is to run bell into a wall all day long your production goes out the ass... Er window hole
     
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  16. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    What do you know about intelligence? You must have very little to insult a mod like that.

    When you lose your center, and your backup center is on IR, you don't think that affects the play calling? You don't think the vanilla playcalling that you yourself pointed out maybe was a result of that?

    You don't think Bens terrible performance had anything to do with them losing?

    You don't know what you are talking about.
     
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  17. Lambert

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    Many of these game management/adjustment mistakes and lack of preparedness have been obvious for years. IMO, Tomlin is not a good coach. Some disagree with that.
     
  18. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    Ummmm... They didn't have the wherewithal to yank the lunacy he was creating on the field... Assuming that is how it went. When folks are ****ting the bed, it's up to coaches to apply the pampers or plastic sheet... Anything to stop the flowing mess
     
  19. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    and if we had a safety, that wouldn't have happened lol
     
  20. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    Well, it would've stopped it a bit sooner I imagine hahahaha
     
  21. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    I go back n forth, on Mike and staff, but it's getting harder to argue for sure.
     
  22. SteelinOhio

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    Ben was awful. Too many passes thrown low into the ground.
     
  23. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The defense played alright except for the Wallace TD, they got 3 sacks and the first int by a DB they also stopped the run.
     
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  24. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    What team isn't overly reliant on their franchise QB?
     
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  25. JAD

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    And how many yards did we get running 15 times, if one could have a feel for the game you would now that if you ran 30 times against the Ravens your not going anywhere with that plan. ITs NOT WORKING? Agreed Ben should of changed the play when there where 8 guys in the box, but he didn't and they kept doing the same thing.

    On one play it was 3rd down and 4 yards to go, what do we do run Bell up the middle for 2 yards. They we keying on Bell and Brown, so use other players. Eli was not used until the 4th quarter. Where was Coby the whole game. If you watched Coates the last 3 games he is stinking up the joint since he hurt his hand and shouldn't even be playing.

    Also those 15 running plays were mostly in the first half, and what was the score at halftime? By the way they only ran the no huddle in the first half for one series and it started with Bell up the middle for little or no gain.
     

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