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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SC Gamecock, Oct 17, 2016.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Lets reign in the insults, ok.

    I didn't think there was anything wrong with the play call on 3rd and 1, not even Bell is getting a yard running into a wall. They executed and we did not.

    It was obvious to me that injuries sunk this team, Sunday. No Cam and Shaizer is significant, not having any receiving threat besides AB is significant and Ben playing on one leg is a huge detriment to your chances of winning the game.
     
  2. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    So play to our strengths.

    Coaching, anyone can do it... "Heavy set + FB + Bell - 8 man box = 1st down". :rolleyes:



    You can wave that flag if it makes you think you appear more informed.


    It's funny you suggest that. Since the Steelers used this approach as well. You can look at the snap in the 1st quarter (the play before the DHB TD). Jesse chips to Hubbard... the Dolphins get a sack anyways as Jason Jones bulldogs Big Al on the other side. But this is a good lesson for you. Take this play, where you get the protection you ask for, and take the other two scenario we've seen (Hubbard one on one Holding and Jesse one on one getting beat). There's a big difference on each of these plays. The easiest difference is between this play and the one you are blaming the coaches for (Jesse's sack). In the 1st play, there is no one in the strong side C gap (Hubbard), so Jesse can chip and release Wake to Hubbard. Basic combo/release block. In the play later in the quarter that you referenced (1:05) there are significant differences. First, this is a 3rd and 10 play. The Dolphins make the correct adjustment, bringing their Will in to the Strong side C gap to "hold" Hubbard. This puts Jesse in a 1:1 with Wake. Good, basic coaching. But that does not mean there is blame to be placed on Tomlin/Haley in this scenario. Ben has the call. It's 3rd and 10, and run audible is settling for a FG. The Dolphins rush 5, holding Bell from the the quick release. Ben absolutely has to let this one rip to the slot WR running the seam right, even with the CB in his hip.

    There is no "put your players in a position to succeed" argument here. This is basic football stuff. The TE is going to have to block the edge, when you bring a LBer blitz to the C gap tackle. You can pretend all you want that the Steelers staff did something stupid. But it's simply a poor understanding of fundamental football.



    It's unlikely that I will pass at any opportunity you present. Keep it up.

    I'm impressed with your ability to fake a belief that you know what you are talking about.
     
  3. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    uh, I remember the 80's well. I believe I used they a lot. I just said that when ben plays bad we stand NO chance. I never said everyone else plays great. I just meant you can overcome some issues against bad teams when your qb is playing lights out. he doesn't do that against those type of teams.
     
  4. JAD

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    The spread is just referring to the wide 9. I think you know what it was referring too.
     
  5. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    Nice try edit ninja

    "This spread offense forces our defense to match up man on man and we not winning these match ups with our LB's and DB. "
     
  6. JAD

    JAD Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but I have no idea what your talking about.
     
  7. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    That would make sense
     
  8. JAD

    JAD Well-Known Member

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    Another internet tough guy who can't have a civil discussion, your the first time I used the ignore button. See ya.
     
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  9. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    :yawn:
     
  10. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    Every week they take the scouting report and use it for rolling dubbies
     
  11. SC Gamecock

    SC Gamecock

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    I stand by my comments. You should take the shades off someday and face reality.

    Furthermore, if you haven't recognized a blatant pattern with Tomlin's teams and losing to inferior competition, I question your knowledge for even the most elementary aspects of football...
     
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  12. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    It's funny you mention the "elementary aspects of football", since the "inferior teams" argument includes no aspect of football what so ever. It's an argument that's used as a crutch for explaining outcomes that someone can't explain within the aspects of football.
     
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  13. DwarfToss

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    You think it was good to make a nervous, rusty Landry Jones attempt a pass to a stone-handed TE?

    Bell ran into a wall to beat San Diego at the gun last year. Trust your best players, not your worst.

    This was coaching hubris at its finest.
     
  14. thorn058

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    Against a house blitz when Miami was gambling that it's a run yes it was a nice call. I'd have preferred having Jones roll the other way of PA and hitting AB on a slant but calling a pass there was a good idea. Heck with the safeties coming full speed at the line a quick hitter had the potential to go for a huge gain.
     
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  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Id have to watch the SD play, dont remember but generally running into a wall doesn't get results.

    Play call was right, execution sucked.
     
  16. DwarfToss

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    The execution sucked because it was Landry Jones first pass of the game, to David Johnson. Primary was Grimble.

    Last year Landry tried a pass to Villanueva. The execution sucked. It also had zero chance of succeeding, but our smartypants coaches wanted to show everyone how smart they are.

    Maybe we should put McCullers at QB and then when he fails, we can blame execution. I'll bet Shazier can punt. If he shanks a 10-yarder, that's on him, not the coaches who asked him to do it.

    Or maybe we could just use the best RB and WR in the game since they are also at our disposal.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    You think the only breakdown in that play was Landry? Ok.
     
  18. DwarfToss

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    No, but he was obviously a big part. Ben might have been able to break the pocket and make a play.

    Maybe coach expected the standard to be the standard because the next man was up.
     
  19. SteelerGlenn

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    Going for 2 is not playing not to lose.
     
  20. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    I twas this play Blast that he was referring to.

     
  21. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    and
    yet
    we still had to hope the jets lose in buffalo
    so our team could get into the playoffs


    WHY??????

    because we can't beat a 4 win raven team once
    in two tries
    not once

    we let a 1 win chief team school us

    we eeeeeked a win on the west coast
    FINALLY
    in the Charger game
    woo mofo hoo

    we let cincy beat us in our house

    barely escaped Oakland

    just in one season
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Thanks Thorn.

    Thats not the same situation as Miami. First of all, that was first and inches at the goal line and they ran the wildcat and he barely got those inches, he never would have gotten a yard.
     
  23. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    yeah
    the last play of the game
    to boot
     
  24. DwarfToss

    DwarfToss Well-Known Member

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    It's not the same situation, but you're overlaying the play on the 3rd and 1 and declaring it a stop. Neat.

    In his career, LB has 34 carries for 127 yards in 3rd or 4th and 1 or 2.
     
  25. DwarfToss

    DwarfToss Well-Known Member

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    No, but that's an in game decision. I'm talking about the overarching game plan.
     

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