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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SC Gamecock, Oct 17, 2016.

  1. DwarfToss

    DwarfToss Well-Known Member

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    Because they prepare and game plan like they can win these games if only they don't make mistakes. They play not to lose, and when they fall behind they panic and press. They lose these games during the week, not on Sundays. I heard a former coach say "If you don't like what you see on Sunday, look in the mirror because you coached it during the week."

    Tomlin and his staff are razor sharp when preparing for teams that are formidable. It's the inconsistency that is maddening, because it costs them playoff berths and/or byes every stinking year.
     
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  2. DwarfToss

    DwarfToss Well-Known Member

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    Bingo. They mail in these game plans against inferior opponents all the time. Don't make mistakes, play not to lose, don't beat yourself. Leads to a tight team lacking confidence in the mission, they end up making mistakes, and then the media and coaches say "well you can't make mistakes in this league and win".

    You can set your watch by it. I fully expect a huge effort on national TV against Dallas, followed by a turd at Cleveland the following week.

    It's what they do, it's who they are.
     
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  3. Diamond

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    The fish gameplan was to stop the pass, which they did, to counter this the obvious is usually to run the ball hard and often untill they keep stacking the box and open up some passing lanes, with the best running back in the league why in the world does bell only get 10 carries, they better plan on feeding him the ball sunday with the run and the pass, or this game is going to be nasty, pound bell and dwill 40-50 times because thats our only chance to stay close in this game, and somehow get a freaky win if jones doesnt turn the ball over, and this defense better play a hell of a lot better than they did sunday going up against brady butler better show me he can coach this week because i'm tired of seeing him putting a struggling defense out there every week, no excuses this week.......
     
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  4. cral22

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    I completely agree, I am flying up for the game from Florida, and hope it stays competitive. The only issue is Belichek will game plan to take Bell out of the game, so landry will have to throw to win. But that does not mean Bell should only have 10 carries.
     
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  5. cral22

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    I agree Tomlin seems to be more of a friend to the players than a leader, I want a head coach people respect and play hard for. Plus wasnt Tomlin supposed to be a defensive minded coach? How has the defense gotten worse.
     
  6. HeinzMustard

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    Agree 100%.
     
  7. JAD

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    That's my biggest pet piev about Tomlin he never seems to check out out plays called out from the coordinators. Third and one against a team that is near the bottom in run defense and you have supposedly one of the best backs in the league, you call a pass play with your back up QB who stinks. As a HC you need to check out of that play call by your coordinator.

    On defense you got to at some point change something, even if it's wrong,! Walk up to your defensive coordinator and on the next passing play, listen, get you DB closer to the line and BLIZT. Send the house!

    Why do you wear headphones and not use them to help your coordinators once in a while since they get stupid at times. Make in game adjustment as needed and quit doing the same things over and over.

    We have not found a solution for teams that play offense against us with 9 wide and spread us out. Similar to what the Eagles and Dolphins played against. You can bet Patriots and other teams will do the same. This spread offense forces our defense to match up man on man and we not winning these match ups with our LB's and DB. Come to think of it you can say the same about our interior line without Cam Heyward.
     
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  8. RPO IZSB

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    Honest Feedback: It's idiotic to think there are cupcake games in the NFL.

    Honest Feedback: It's idiotic not to recognize what a HUGE loss Cameron Heyward is (especially on top of Ryan Shazier's loss), they are FAR and away our 2 best defensive players (all due respect to Mike Mitchell).

    Honest Feedback: Ben was 5 of 8 for 41 yards before his INT/Injury. Nothing special, but hardly team crippling play. The next 4 drives he went 4 of 12. With 2 INTS and drives that lasted a total play count of 1, 3, 3, 4. Yea, his injury was kind of a big deal... (and then was a 5th drive in there, a Landry led 3 and out.
     
  9. SC Gamecock

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    RPO IZSB, post: 419507, member: 1894"]Honest Feedback: It's idiotic to think there are cupcake games in the NFL. I call bull$hit on that. There are games that THIS team should not lose...period. This was one of them!

    Honest Feedback: It's idiotic not to recognize what a HUGE loss Cameron Heyward is (especially on top of Ryan Shazier's loss), they are FAR and away our 2 best defensive players (all due respect to Mike Mitchell). It's been established long ago that even with them, this defense is not yet special. What's the excuse with the offense ****ting the bed?!

    Honest Feedback: Ben was 5 of 8 for 41 yards before his INT/Injury. Nothing special, but hardly team crippling play. The next 4 drives he went 4 of 12. With 2 INTS and drives that lasted a total play count of 1, 3, 3, 4. Yea, his injury was kind of a big deal... (and then was a 5th drive in there, a Landry led 3 and out.this offense should've had a lead by then that would have allowed us to control the game without Ben
     
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  11. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    :popcorn:
     
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  12. AskQuestionsLater

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    Does yours have extra butter? If not, do not worry I have some. :drinks:
     
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  13. RPO IZSB

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    That's just naive. You can lose to anyone. It's more likely when your 2 best defenders are out, and your QB suffers a serious injury.

    This defense was giving up 16 points per game before this week, and after this week's debacle is still 11th overall in the NFL in points against.


    Sure... i mean why even play that games when we can just narrate what SHOULD happen :rolleyes:
     
  14. RPO IZSB

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    I accept that this is a popular opinion backed up by simple correlations. It's a hopelessly naive position.
     
  15. RPO IZSB

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    Yea, totally... gotta audible to a run with 9 in the box and an cover 0 blitz.

    Grimble was wide open. Landry missed it. Good play call. Backup QB result.

    lol

    Do you have a transcript from the game? Honestly WTF are you talking about? You have no idea what Tomlin does or doesn't communicate with his coordinators.

    We beat the Lions and Jim Washbourn's Wide 9 in 2013, 37 to 27

    You think the Pats are going to suddenly start running wide 9 up front? The Pats are perfectly capable of beating us without switching to a new scheme mid season. lol

    What spread offense? Gase is a Martz disciple, his scheme is rooted in the Air Coryell offense. It is not a spread offense.
     
  16. DwarfToss

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    I accept that you are a Tomlin lackey/company man and are incapable of criticizing him or the organization. It's a hopelessly gutless position.
     
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  17. DwarfToss

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    That's why you don't call it with your ice cold backup QB, you unconscionable dolt. You hand it to the best back in the league. JFC, you are the only person I've seen defend this call.

    I assume you also blame Jesse James for losing a one-on-one battle with Cam Wake.

    "Good play call - block better."

    Good coaches put their players in positions to succeed, not fail.
     
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  18. rukus4ever

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    I believe the stat that was posted just before the game against the Dolphins is that Ben is 1+ INTs in the last 8 road games. After Sunday... that stat extends to 9 road games.
     
  19. MojaveDesertPghFan

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    Hey Dwarf - you do a really good impression of Bill Murray. Spooky!
     
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  20. RPO IZSB

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    Yea, you should run into an 8 man run blitz.

    I'm not surprised I'm the only one defending the call. It was a good call. But making that diagnosis requires more than "duh you run da running back cuz 1 yard and stuff".

    Yes, I believe in holding players accountable for executing. But I accept that lesser players are going to lose certain battles throughout the game. How many times did Jesse James get asked to make that wide 9 block on Wake. I am well aware that you are only capable of recalling the sack. So why don't you go back to the tape and re-assess.

    What's your solution? Would you prefer to have Chris Hubbard attempting to slide step to reach that block? Yea, that sure went well on the 5th snap of the game.

    Maybe you'd prefer taking Bell out of the passing game to provide help?

    Yea, Jesse James got beat by Wake. Yea, I place blame on him for that.

    What would be idiotic would be to remove fundamentals from your playbook and play in fear, which is basically what you are suggesting. Actually, you haven't really suggested anything. You are pretending that a single play defines a lot about the game.

    But i'd love to hear more about your suggestions for the right side of the line and putting players in position to succeed against Wake. Hubbard got owned early in the game, so your choices are basically Jesse James or taking Leveon Bell out of the passing game... bring it on genius


    It's a cute platitude. But it's basically a stupid statement.
     
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  21. DwarfToss

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    They had their heavy set in. Win the battle. But yeah, better to throw to stone handed Grimble with a scatterarm QB.

    It's exactly what Belichick does, and what Tomlin does not. I can see why you think it's stupid since it makes perfect sense.
     
  22. RPO IZSB

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    win the battle or put players in position to succeed? Make up your mind.

    You've already stated this isn't a good run blocking oline. Careful with this one... pretzel


    It's a statement with no actual meaning. It's cover for people who know little about football.

    But i'd love to hear more about your suggestions for the right side of the line and putting players in position to succeed against Wake. Hubbard got owned early in the game (see 5th snap/hold), so your choices are basically Jesse James or taking Leveon Bell out of the passing game... bring it on genius.
     
  23. DwarfToss

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    Yeah, we probably need a new QB, because the coaching and preparation and game plans are the same, and everyone else plays great on the road. It's all on Ben.

    Going to be kind of funny watching Yinzers who don't remember the 80s caterwaul on a weekly basis after Ben retires.
     
  24. DwarfToss

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    Nope, I said it was a very good run blocking OL, just better at pass blocking. Nice strawman.

    And yes, I'll take our heavy set + FB and Bell vs. the 32nd ranked run defense in the league. Anyone would, except you, Tomlin, Haley, and the entire mentally retarded community of the United States and Canada.

    You're out of your depth, kid. Probably should put down the keyboard for a while.

    Chip him with James - James took him one-on-one and Hubbard turned in.

    You're not good at this. You should probably stop now.
     
  25. HeinzMustard

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