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Correlation does not imply causation.

 

Right but I mean once its clear that the guy is running right through them, do they not talk about what they could maybe change or was not having Heyward that big of a deal that the issue was we just didn't have the personnel to stop him and we are going to be screwed until CH comes back.

 

Wow. It's worse than I thought.

 

Steelers are 5-11 in the last 16 games as road favorites. That's a lot of things but coaching certainly comes to mind! Unacceptable, I would just rather them play the toughest schedule every year and then because we have to, the Browns for two games! I posted a thread after last weeks game to attention Steelers players and coaches....don't sleep walk through the Miami game looking ahead to the Pats game, well look what happened...they did and it's happened far too many times with Tomlin as the coach! No a coincidence in my mind!

 

Sums it up nicely. It's embarrassing what our once proud defence has become. We have a philosophy of imposing our will which is incredibly naive. You can't always impose your will and instead need to take advantage of the other teams weaknesses. We rarely do that. We continue to beat our head against the wall hoping the wall gives out first. We just seem to have no identity, no plan.

 

Players play...I get it! But they play the schemes that they are taught based upon their individual skill sets and film on the opponent. So for me, nobody is going to convince me that the piss poor record against the worst teams in the league is way more on Tomlin than anyone else!

 

That was the most embarrassing thing I seen from the Steelers, ever. They were pushed around like they were children and tackled like those children were weak. You can lose but there is no excuse for looking so weak and helpless as the Steeler defense did on Sunday.

 

Rooney's start looking for a coach, this has gone on far too long!! Bob Stoops, Les Miles, C. Peterson make any of them them an offer!! Tomlin should have been gone in 2012 on the plane ride back from Denver!! Deer in the headlights look has become boring!
Injuries, Ben getting hurt, and no defense or tackling - still crappy coaching! No emotion and same old tired comments!!

 

Well, I don't know if firing Tomlin is the move to make right now, but I do agree with you on one point: bringing in a college coach might be the better way to go these days. It didn't used to be. Back in the day, a lot college coaches stunk in the pros: from Lou Holtz to Bud Wilkinson. Jimmy Johnson was one of the few who could do it. But the way the NFL is laid out today, in which you have players for 4-5 years max, the college coach knows how to continually replenish.

 

The answer is simple - Steelers are disabled on the road so we should petition the league under the ADA to only have home games every year. If they don't allow that, discrimination!

 

If Tomlin is going, get rid of, Haley, Butler, Danny Smith, Ben and Brown the same considering they are under his regime.

 

The worst part is that this variation of the Wide 9 defense the Steelers played was less problematic given the lack of talent.


In the end though, fans are going to have to realize that this is the NFL for a reason. Teams are not as stacked as they would be in the NCAA CFB.


Any team can beat any team.... the sole exception being Cleveland..

 

So if the same Miami team was 3-2, and we played the same game/outcome it would be different in some way?

 

It's an easier pill to swallow when you lose to what looks like equal or better competition yes. To get trounced by a team that has one win will obviously make fans angry. I'm not that worried about it personally but I can see why people are mad about it. Given our recent record against teams with terrible records I might have just subconsciously been ready for it but I'm honestly not at all effected by this loss.

 

100% on Tomlin. He lives in his fears in these games and comes out with conservative, play not to lose, don't make mistakes and we can win game plans, and every single time his team is tentative and uninspired as a result.

Where was the downfield passing they torched NY and KC with early? Where was the blitzing that led to 7 sacks the past two weeks?

All reeled back in so they can play small ball and try to win without breaking a sweat. If they beat the Cowboys on national TV in a month, bet the house that they'll lose in Cleveland the following week. Because they will.

 

Fans are angry because:

1. Underachieving and lack of focus IS the most consistent identity for this team over the last 4 years. (This is why we were 8-8 two years in a row with a 'franchise' QB, and why we always need help from teams to get into the playoffs. This team seems incapable of staying in the drivers seat, they always stumble and stumble and stumble).

2. INJURIES! Ben gets hurt every year, Bell has never played in the playoffs. Shazier can't finish a game without some sort of injury, Pouncey gets injured on the yearly as well.

3. Too much talent to do this year in and year out, I understand the "any given Sunday" mantra, but the Steelers have too much talent, and what we watch year in and year out is a team that is decimated by injuries and/or can't get out of it's own way. It's getting old and comically predictable.

I realize injuries are what they are, but something is up with this team and losing important players every game. I have no clue what it is are they snake bitten when it comes to injuries?

There's more reasons fans are pissed, but these are big ones for me, getting old! getting predictable.

 

Yes, when the players play poorly, it's on them. When they play great, Tomlin is a great coach.

Yinzer logic.

 

My definition of a good coach is surrounding yourself with the best assistants to help you. Haley is not a good assistant and a terrible play caller. Against the worse defense in stopping the run, we hardy ran the ball. I blame Haley for Ben's injury because if Haley would have ran the ball more he would given more opportunity for passing routes to work later in the game. Bell or Williams was ripping off 4 yards every time they touched the ball. The play calling was awful from beginning to end. We depend way too much on big plays to win ball games Defense- don't get me started, but you did. We blitz 4 times in the first half and were 100 percent successful on disrupting the play and causing an incomplete pass for stuffed the runner at line of scrimmage. The DL kept getting caught in traps, linebackers were caught in congestion, and db's were being playing way too far off. Just awful all the way around. The only bright spot was special teams, blocked field goal. The OL coach was in Haley's ear all day, and I would love to know what that conversation was. Time to the Steelers to move on and cut its losses.

 

Big Ben calls out Tomlin each year on practices being too physical and players getting hurt. How much truth could this have?

 

You either get rid of the coach or you start getting rid of players, you don't do both (unless the new coaching regime determines a need to replace guys). You also don't get rid of a top QB and top WR. That makes absolutely no sense. Besides, even most of us Tomlin haters don't want him fired in the middle of the season. I don't think that would be overly effective.

 

I'm not on the Fire Tomlin bandwagon but you have to be smarter with your Franchise(although he was playing like S%^$ before the injury). What if Ben was hit on that knee and the damage got worse? And playing him even after the contest was decided? irresponsible. Shades of the San Fran game. Goes to show there is NO faith in Landry Jones. And why didn't he grab Haley by the ear and say get Bell the rock? Disgusting performance from the top down.

 

I don't know if Haley is good at what he does or not. It's very hard to tell because there are so many other factors at play. How often does Ben audible out of a run play into a pass play? How often is Ben launching it deep when there are numerous guys running shorter routes? How much is Ben pushing throughout the week to have a big play offence? What is Tomlin's role in this whole thing? Does he also want a big play offence and directs Haley accordingly? Does he refuse to tell Ben to stop going deep when shorter routes are open?

The questions can go on forever. It's a travesty that we only ran the ball 10 times, but why did that happen? Who's decision making was that? Who's game plan was that? If it was Haley, why was Tomlin not in his ear letting him know we need to run more? What was Tomlin doing throughout this whole game?

It's easy to blame a coordinator, but our offence has been far better with Haley than under Arians, so I don't really think that's our biggest problem. But yes, if Tomlin was to go, Haley would very likely be gone too, as would Butler. Most coaches want their own guys

 

Yet you disagreed with yourself with this statement:


"Most coaches want their own guys."


Would Ben and Brown not be theirs?

 

I am only suggesting the matter of a regime purge considering some people believe it is squarely on Tomlin or another member of the staff.