timmons

I know this has probably already been discussed but I have been away for awhile. I have a nephew who is a huge steelers fan and his favorite player is Timmons.

he read an article that they are "not close" to a deal. instead of reading and looking up articles.

I decided it would be easier to ask you guys.lol

no way we let him walk is there? I mean I still feel he is as good as anyone at mlb position.

 

While I don't think they have plans to let him walk per say, I think they are trying to avoid restructuring his current deal which has him being paid for this season at way more than he should be getting paid. Again not that he isn't a solid MLB, just the result of year after year of restructuring has pushed his base pay this year up towards what a superstar player makes for a year. I think they are hoping to have a successful 2016 campaign (cough SB cough) and then see where he is and what number his agent is feeling like putting out there and will move on from that point. How and when he is resigned will depend greatly on how the Brown and Decastro deals do as well as whether Bell can keep his nose clean for the next 11 months or so.

 

I read that article also and he says money isn't a issue but then says they aremt close. Of he isn't willing to do a team friendly deal I let him go. Williams will be a lot cheaper to resign and he has shown he is starter capable in the NFL. Brown, Bell, Decastro, and Boswell all come before him in my book. None of them have a starter capable back up behind them.

 

They are going to pay Timmons the full boat this season and see where the chips fall next season. That's the way I see it.

 

see that is what I thought but would it be better to extend him for say 3 years and cut that in about half? this salary cap stuff confuses the hell out of me so I don't know. that may be what they are trying to do and he is just not wanting to take half

 

Timmons is the senior now...his leadership, knowledge and wisdom is definitely needed for this Superbowl run

 

There's a big drop off between Timmons and Williams. Williams may have shown he is starter capable, but not Superbowl starter capable.

As always, I'm happy to be proven wrong...

 

Not saying he is on Timmons level yet but he is closer to Timmons level then any player behind the players I mentioned earlier. Can't keep them all considering I think Brown will be getting close to 13-15 mill a year. Decastro is going to get paid also. I just don't see anyway they keep them all. I just have visions of old Foote out there. Yeah Timmons is only 30 but came into the league at 20.

 

williams will have to be signed too.

 

Oh yeah but that will be a lot cheaper than what we it will cost for Timmons.

 

They don't have to pay Brown big money until 2018, if they decide to wait.

 

I feel they will give him a new deal after this season.

 

Yes and risk him hitting the open market. If he doesn't get a deal next year then it will be either franchise him or he will test the open market. You franchise him and guess what it will be in the range I said anyways. There is no way they risk giving him a chance at the open market. Some team will spend a lot on him If that happens. Brown will get his deal next year. Even if You want to go that route is Timmons only going to sign a 1 year deal?

 

the steelers don't negotiate with more than a year left on the contract. williams is also not a guaranteed signing and will cost more if he would indeed become the starter. we then have to have a backup that is capable. if matakevich steps up there may be no reason to re-sign williams either. its pretty up in the air at this point. fort could become more important by then. one thing is for sure LT will need to cost a lot less to stay.

 

AB is in a different class than the other players, they need to lock him up this year since he is a number one receiver being paid 18th in the league, that's not paying him according to his value, he is only going to tolerate this pay shortage for so long , he has to be wondering why he is number 1 and being paid at the 18 level....

 

Williams has a different skill set than Timmons and it is a considerable drop off too. Williams is a thumper, pure run stopper. He doesn't have the speed to play coverage and his inexperience causes his default to be just hit people. Still remember his rookie year costing a TD when Timmons had a guy wrapped up on the goalie and had him braced above the hips so he couldn't lean forward over the goaline. Williams came in and was overzealous and leaped at the running back hitting him but falling on Timmons and forcing him down the running backs legs and letting the RB lean forward crossing the plane. Williams is solid but shouldn't be a replacement for Timmons but more of a sub guy.

 

We need a thumper. We have our speed guy in Shazier. That is how we have always rolled. One thumper one speed guy. Timmons was the speed guy until Shazier showed up. Timmons replaced Farrior as the speed guy and Farrior became the run stopping pass rusher. Just as Foote was the thumper when it was him and Farrior. There is a reason Timmons is now the buck and not the mack anymore. They slid him over because Shazier is clearly a mack. Shazier and Williams would complement each other very well imo.

 

I just don't think Williams has the speed and it would hamstring a lot of what they want to do with Shazier. Shazier's speed makes him a prime candidate for that roamer role that Troy made famous. He has the speed to play coverage on TE's and slot guys, he can sprint back from the line into zone, blitz off the edge, up the middle, get into the backfield and disrupt things, jump in passing lanes and deflect balls, and lay the hit on in open space. Williams like I said and I do like the guy is just a run stopper, I don't think he has the instincts to rush the passer and so I don't think he fits the crossfire blitz well unless you are looking for him to draw a guy off the double team and allow Cam to beat his man. He would be a liability in coverage since he couldn't hang with TE's let alone a WR. So if they roll with those two I just think it limits what they can do to a more traditional defense. Maybe this year Williams make a huge leap and I am wrong but I'm leaning towards working an affordable deal with Timmons

 

If Timmons comes back with a team friendly deal I would be all for it I just don't think that is going to happen especially with reports of them not being close. He said all the right things before talks started and now is showing something different. I also think Shazier is going to be the rover this year. I think they are going to do some really interesting things with him. I would put Williams in the exact same boat as Foote. Not fast not pretty but an extremely smart fierce football player.

 

What about when he signed that contract and he wasn't anywhere near the 18th best receiver in the league and he was getting #1 money?

 

I agree you wait until next year and do it. If that fails you franchise him the following year and if need be the year after. That's where the Steelers have leverage in the situation. The franchise tag is not over paying him.

 

No they don't, if you break precedent then the next great player will want the same treatment when he has 2 years left on his contract. AB can get by on his 6 million salary, he said he isn't going to hold out. He will most likely get his deal done next offseason.

 

you can also create problems when you don't treat him the same as anyone else on the team. next season he should get his new deal with one year left on his contract just as they do with any other good player. the whole team has won more SB's then any other team, why mess with a winning formula for one guy and create problems down the road.

 

Well actually the contract signing with 2 years left on players contracts isn't a precedent since they resigned Tommy Maddox with 2 years left on his contract, and Ben had two years remaining on his contract when they gave him a new contract on his second deal even though he didn't sign it till the following year, so they do tend to violate their 2 year policy when it comes to quarterbacks and since they have done it before it isn't breaking a precedent if they did it now for Brown, but according to this article they don't seem interested in giving him a new deal until next year....

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/07/steelers-antonio-brown-wants-new-contract-season-starts/