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Bell looking for 15 million a year?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jul 3, 2016.

  1. defva

    defva Well-Known Member

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    I love what Bell brings to the table but $15mil a season?! That's just too much!!
    I can't see paying that much for a healthy Bell...let alone for one that has had season ending injuries for the past 3 seasons. Thats a lot of money to invest. Unless the NFL gets a deal like the NBA.. then I would have to say No!
     
  2. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    ben at 20, AB at 10, bell at 10, pouncey at 10, DD at 10, heyward at 10, give or take a couple of mil and thats half of the cap on 6 players with 47 to go. if the rest got a mil. each we are at 117 mil. of 157 mil.. i know these are not accurate but it kind of puts it in perspective. (head shakes):eek:

    :smiley1::cool:
     
  3. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Wonder if Snoop Dogg's really gonna give him that much cause the Steelers sure aren't. Wish him the best of luck with that Rapping career.
     
  4. Diamond

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  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    So, I agree that we've got some tough decisions to make, and can't afford to extend everyone. But, it's important to keep in mind that the annual averages and cap numbers for any given season generally don't match. For instance if we extend DeCastro at an average of $10 mil, his 2016 cap hit would probably be more like $4-5 mil based on contract structure and proration of signing bonuses.

    Agree with the general point though. For me, if Bell is thinking $15 mil - or even $12 mil - he's the odd man out IMO. I think he's a great player, but the RB position just doesn't have that kind of value, even if the guy is a great 3 down back. My guess is that he'll only be tagged next year if we can afford it without losing someone else who has a longer future with the team. He's a short timer if he's looking for big dollars.
     
  6. Real steel

    Real steel Well-Known Member

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    Time move on from Bell

    RB's are a dime a dozen these days
     
  7. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    pay the man at least 15 million per year. he is worth it.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    If Bell was only a RB, Id agree with the value argument about the position, problem is, he's also one of the most productive receivers on the team. More production then Wheaton and DHB if you account for games missed, even with games missed, he almost has as much yards as Wheaton and surpasses DHB. And to date, Wheaton and DHB have never finished with more yards in a season then Bell has.

    Currently, since Bryant is suspended, Bell is the second best receiver on the team. I'd pay him 12 million in a heartbeat, he's a unique weapon. He also keeps Ben healthier because of his check down value.
     
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  9. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

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    He will get nothing until 2018 at the earilest. Most people state 2017 but thanks to the contracts of Doug Baldwin and Kelechi Osemele.. Antonio Brown and David DeCastro now have far greater leverage. Le'Veon Bell, as it stands, does not hold much of anything. Availability has been his biggest issue; compounded further by a suspension. Now he wants to talk about a raise? Any self centered egotistical diva who has not lived up to the billing is not getting anything.



    Furthermore, even if it were possible, running backs are not as sought after anymore. Pittsburgh knows this well with players like Fitzgerald Tossiant and DeAngelo Williams. Good backs are more than enough to help a team. It is players like Antonio Brown who are now irreplacable. Due to all the rule changes and the increased value of wide receivers, said position is what the running back position was 20 years ago; all signs pointing to Antonio's contract could be worth that much.


    Ultimatley.. until players like Todd Gurley and the upcoming Leonard Fournette somehow lead a "Dead Ball Revolution", Bell will play out his contract. If not, he gets released and Pittsburgh can replace him with a loaded 2017 running back class that rivals the 2014 wide receiving class. Those are his options.
     
  10. AskQuestionsLater

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    I understand the checkdown aspect... but just having that still does not warrant that much of a sum. Availability is not Bell's biggest assest. If it was; his level of play no less, 13 for me and not another additional value to the single digit. Wide receivers today are what running backs were in the 80s and 90s due to the rule changes.
     
  11. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    Bell is an exceptional talent. Their is no denying that. He can rap all he wants,the Steelers will NOT pay him 15.

    I do believe the Steelers will pay Antonio Brown. And it will be steep.
     
  12. AskQuestionsLater

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    Regarding the bolded, due the signings of multiple wide receivers; Doug Baldwin being the most recent, Pittsburgh really does not have a choice. Antonio holds the keys at this point. Granted, many things can and will change between now and then, but it is going to be nigh-impossible for Pittsburgh to turn Brown down at this point.
     
  13. Diamond

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    The trend for running back contracts is morphing into 3 year deals, if you average out the top 5 three year contracts including APs 42 mill, a 3 year contract for Bell, would be about 30 mill, if you didnt include APs 3 year deal that 3 year deal drops significantly to about 15 mill over 3 years, but I think the 30 mill number should be the fair offer to bell for 3 years unless he wants a longer contract, then that eliminates APs 3 year average and the players with 5 year contracts would be the new calculator which averages out at about 36 mill over 5 years, would bell take a 3 year deal at 30 mill or a 5 year deal at say 40 mill, considering he would get the most cash up front earlier in a 3 year contract, say a 10 mill signing bonus and the other 20 mill guaranteed he should jump on the 3 year deal????
     
  14. Diamond

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    Bell can rap while AB is getting nude, I see AB is appearing in this years (ESPNS nude body issue) along with a long list of other athletes, I wonder what Goodell and his league office thinks about this???? Will they figure out a way to suspend them a few games for doing it, or not????
     
  15. BURGH43STEL

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    The money that seems to matter most for NFL players is the bonus and guaranteed money they receive in their contracts. The Steelers don't seem to have an extensive history of guaranteeing players the type of guaranteed money some players received from some other teams. The guaranteed money was probably the main reason why Mike Wallace left.

    It seems the Steelers like to structure the large majority of their player contracts in a way in which players need to continue to earn their money. Maybe I am wrong?

    Bell will be fortunate to receive 15 million in guaranteed money. I doubt Bell sees the type of money he believes he's worth because he's a RB. RB's probably have to deal with more injuries, take more pounding to their bodies, and as a result have the shortest careers of any NFL player by nature of the position.

    Key to any future negotiations for Bell will be how healthy and effective he returns from his last injury.
     
  16. Diamond

    Diamond Well-Known Member

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    Ask questions said] He will get nothing until 2018 at the earilest. Most people state 2017

    If your talking about Bell Actually 2016 is the final year of his contract, we either sign him between now and the off season or he will be a Free agent, dont know where you got 2018 as the earliest he will get signed, thats two years after his contract expires.... ..
     
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  17. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    If bell has 3k total yards for the next 2 seasons and literally carries us to 2 superbowl victories, then you pay him lol.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yep. And as long as Bell doesn't try and put the screws to the Steelers, I think they will get a deal worked out.
     
  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    If he does that, heck, I'd even let you pay him. :smiley1:
     
  20. Diamond

    Diamond Well-Known Member

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    There is a way to get the cap space to sign DD and LB if this team pulls the trigger on a big ben restructure soon:


    By: Simon A Chester steelerwire|November 2015
    Ben Roethlisberger (33): 2016 salary cap charge $23,950,000. His 13th NFL season in 2016 will see Roethlisbergers contract account for 15.97% of an estimated $150 million Steelers salary cap. It is the most expensive year of the new 4 year contract extension he signed in March and is made up of a base salary of $17,750,000 and a prorated bonus of $6,200,000.

    In a quest for cap space it is extremely likely the Steelers will look to restructure Big Ben’s contract this off season and with such a high cash charge next year, there is plenty for the Steelers to play with. It would be no surprise if the Steelers took around $12 – $16 million of Roethlisberger salary and turned it into a bonus spread over the remaining 4 years of his deal. This would create up to $12 million in additional cap space in 2016 and add up to $4 million a year to his cap charge. With a relatively low cap hit in 2017 of $18,200,000, and potentially a lot of cap space, the Steelers could always look to dump a large portion of any restructure into that year instead.
     
  21. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    It's possible that it can be done even without restructuring Ben's contract if we sign Bell to a reasonable (i.e. McCoy-like) deal. An extension should reduce DeCastro's cap number, and the first year of Bell's new deal shouldn't be extreme.
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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  23. AskQuestionsLater

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    Fair enough on the 2018 year for those who replied. However... either way, I do not envision the organization handing over a kings ransom for one player. Outside whoever Ben's successor is, no other position should get that level of money unless there are EXTREME circumstances for that team. Bell is not one of those circumstances; his availability rate also being a detriment.


    To add more fuel to the fire, never mind players like David DeCastro, Markus Wheaton, Ryan Shazier and others who need to be signed next year; restructuring Lawrence Timmons contract no less in addition to Antonio Browns payday. There are far too many chips on the table already stacked against him. 12 million would be the limit; 10 being the sweet spot. Anything more is detrimental to the team,
     

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