does this concern anyone else

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/0...ows-philosophical-differences-coaches-scouts/

why are our scouts and coaches not on the same page with draft evaluation of players? this to me is quite worrisome. how can we function as one if we are not looking for the best fit by coaches and scouts?

 

I honestly think in the past few years our drafts have came off as pretty arrogant. We just take too many "project" players for my liking.

 

Some positions need certain skills and it is not smart to ignore that . They need to at least have the talent for the position and then the Coaches can Coach them up .

 

Running really fast in underarmor unitards and shuttle times are football skills? Pwp I think the jist of the article was that the scouts fall in love with numbers and benchmarks that don't really pertain to football while the coaches look at how these guys play the game on the field

 

Yes Shuttle times need to be in a certain range to play a certain position at a high level.I think some Coaches put to much weight on tape esp. small school guys. The level of competition makes the tape look much better than it really is . The drills are the drills and it will clearly show you the Athletic talent, now the hard part is the character of the player and how much are they willing to be Coached?and how hard will they work?

Heart is a huge key to Football and there is still no tape or no drill that can measure that yet . Find a way to solve that and you can hit on every draft pick...

 

You need to find that happy balance between the two. You can have a player with all the athleticism all the measurables, the seeming perfect player and not have it work on the field. David Boston comes to mind. But find an average player who shows good on tape and has alright to average athletic skill and I'll take that risk all week long and twice on Sunday.

 

I agree he has never reached full potential , but look how much he has improved since being here. I am not trying to make this a DHB thing , but maybe just maybe it was poor Coaching that hindered his development ?

Just saying if I am Coaching the DB'S and you keep sending me 4.6 guys and all the Teams we are playing have 4.4. WR'S don't expect my guys not to get burned . If I am the DL Coach and my line averages 250 and the Teams we play average 300 don't expect my guys to not get blown off the LOS..

Now if you send me a bunch of 4.4 guys and I still can't get them to cover or teach them then the problem is more with me than the players ...Same as if you give me big strong DL I best be able to make a wall with them or I am a bad Coach ...

 

I also think of our picks in relation to how well they match up with they guys they will be playing a lot. We've got corners that are at best 6 and matching up twice a year against AJ Green who is 4in taller. Even if we have speedy guys it seems to me that unless they are jamming hard on the LOS then they are gonna get eat up on fades in the red zone anytime they come up against a much bigger opponent. Is that kinda what you're saying too?

 

This should go in the autocorrect/autosuggest hall of fame. Zombies man zombies

 

I think certain drills are more or less important depending on the position your evaluating at the time. But no matter the position, you need to be willing to work hard and be coachable.

Seems to me that ten to thirteen position coaches need to sit in a room and talk about the different positions of priority each drill has based on the positions they coach. And at the end, get everyone on the same page. Because from what I gathered in the article, there is enough of a philosophical gap difference to cause us to miss on a draft pick or two.

 

Point and counter-point ... Get differing opinions from different people and then make the call.

 

He hasn't improved since he's been here, at least not in stats. He's actually gotten worse.

 

Where does the article mention differences of opinion between Steelers coaches and Steelers scouts on the players chosen? Mark Bruener was the guy who scouted Travis Feeney.

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it never really mentioned a specific player and a difference. we have our own scouts and we also use a scouting service BLESTO which scouts for us. bruener has done a good job for us. he was also responsible for beachum. i've read in the past that the steelers set benchmarks of stats on players we have chosen at certain positions. for instance our ILB's have jumped at least this high and ran the shuttles under this time and so forth. porter hasn't been coaching for very long, so doing evaluations of players has been taught to him by someone here. same with lake. as elvis said reading into this article leaves alot of assumption. it seems true that this article was painted with a broad brush stroke and watching the internet boards rank players with numbers over football players does happen. i for one love the late round gems that help a football team. thats the part of this process i enjoy the most. thanks for the heads up on DKPS fugitive.

 

If u seen him on other teams u would know, he has improved

 

Not in # of receptions.

 

My take is scouts provide data. That's their job. Coaches and GMs watch, look and listen for the unmeasurable aspects. Then you throw in some pixie dust and pick the guy with the best overall combination.

A good example of heart over measures is Merrill Hoge.

 

sometimes heart only goes so far too. sure there are exceptions to the rule. i remember reading an article about the correlation of arm length to players that don't make it as NFL linemen. they had good movement numbers but the vast majority (a very high percentage) don't make it because of that number, so numbers do matter in certain instances, not all but most. it kind of shows it is a crap shoot, but numbers give you a good start. the trick is finding the good numbers, good football players to go along with smarts and work ethic. i'll bet those numbers are pretty high in success rate.

 

Pixie dust.....so that explains what's wrong with him (not Merrill Hoge)

 

No I know that. But watch him block and catch the ball. Watch his time in indy I think it was. I remember one game against titans he dropped back to back balls in the endzone.

 

He's had 24 catches over the last two years. Not much to watch there.
I might be wrong, but didn't he whiff on a block when FT fumbled against the Broncos in the playoffs?