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Ranking of the NFL General Managers

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Dean, Apr 14, 2016.

  1. Dean

    Dean Well-Known Member

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  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    That guy's kind of an idiot.
     
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  3. Dean

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    knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew that someone would attack the guy because he doesn't say what the majority of us Steeler fans want him to say about Colbert. LOL.
     
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  4. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    All I had to see was Bellichick #1 to roll my eyes at that article. New England has botched more than their share of high draft picks in recent years. Just look at yesterday's news of former 1st rounder Easley being released (without any injury designation). Bellichick the GM has been riding the coattails of Brady, Bellichick the coach, a few deflated footballs and creative use of video tape. As a GM he's good, but not great.

    For the record, I don't think Colbert walks on water, but he's pretty darned good overall. Certainly top 10.
     
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  5. Iowasteeljim

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    You think writing, "Is Colbert overrated or underrated?" makes him a genius? Truth be told, there is very little separating any of these guys except for how their picks pan out according to the author of the article. None of us know how a pick is really going to turn out until after he has played. Then we are able to go back and say, "See, I told you so!" With this ability we are able to say we could manage a team better than these guys (or rank them in an article). Life is funny that way.
     
  6. strummerfan

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    Not at all. He's an idiot because he's ignored the fact the they've had to rebuild the entire freaking team.
     
  7. EddieBurro

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    I guess Colbert was supposed to replace a HOF safety, a lockdown corner, a perennial Pro Bowl nose tackle, a stud inside linebacker, a guy who would lead the way if 3-4 defensive ends were ever to have a spot in Canton, and a handful of other strong contributors all within about a five-year span.

    You don't just draft the next Troy Polamalu. Casey Hamptons don't grow on trees (the trees wouldn't grow).

    It's especially hard to replace these guys when you're always drafting in the later part of each round and have an extremely talented team and a salary cap.
     
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  8. Dean

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    Not only drafting in the later part of the each round AND you have a philosophy of hardly ever trying to trade up.
     
  9. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    Tough to not put Colbert in the top 10, maybe even top 5.

    The most important factor is RESULTS.

    1 losing season in 16 years. Find me another team who does better.

    2 SBs. Only 1 team can claim more.

    There are certainly some irritating tendencies but Colbert has my full support. He keeps on fielding a competitive team year in and year out.

    Every year we get to go into the season with Super Bowl aspirations. That is a nice reality.

    Now what will prove his mettle, what will he do when the sad and inevitable post-Roethlisberger time comes. Colbert knows he needs a seamless transition. He needs to get that done. Big priority.
     
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  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Just one mans opinion, pretty uninformed one at that.

    Heres another mans opinion, has Colbert ranked 6th.

    http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/09/ranking-the-nfls-general-managers/#photo-711946

    Whats it all mean? You found a guy that thinks of Colbert like you do. Guy in my link thinks like most of us here. In the end, just opinions.
     
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  11. Dean

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    Come on furnace. That is a story from Sept. of 2015. From last year. Before last year's boo boo secondary could be taken into account.

    When you factor in the poor job Colbert did on last year's secondary, the story I posted is the way that most people see Colbert OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR STEELER FAN!

    And that's my point. Your being a homer. I get that. But stepping outside of my homerism for the Steelers, Colbert did a credible job but failed again in upgrading a secondary that was bottom 3 from the previous year.

    It's not just an opinion. You can't do "B" work in most areas of a team then do "F" work on the secondary and say he's top 10 in the league. And it's "F" work for 4 years straight on the secondary.

    Colbert is about # 13 in the league. Still upper tier, but not nowhere in the top 10.
     
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  12. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I am literally at a loss for words...and that almost never happens.
     
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  13. GoalLine

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    This thread has me like:

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  14. Steel_Elvis

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    Our secondary could use some upgrades. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. However, it's not at the bottom of the league. We were 30th in passing yards allowed, but in several more important pass defense stats we fared better:

    6th (tied) interceptions - 17 (12 by the secondary)
    17th opposing QB passer rating - 90.9
    18th (tied) yards per attempt against us: 7.5
    19th TD passes allowed - 29

    All of these stats have more meaning than the 30th ranking in yards allowed. All you have to do is look at the 18th rank in yards per pass attempt to see that a big part of why we were 30th in passing yards allowed was because we had a lot of passes thrown against us - 6th most in the league at 625 attempts (#1 was Carolina at 650). This notion that we have one of the worst secondaries in the league is just as biased as someone looking through homer glasses and saying everything is perfect. The reality is that we have a secondary that needs some upgrades, but was a bit worse than middle of the pack last year.

    I think even before the draft, we're better on the back end than we were last year for several reasons:

    1. Blake is gone*.
    2. Cockrell will have an offseason and camp under his belt with the team. Folks need to remember, he came in cold after the season started and played better and better as it went on. He's no man corner, but if we can get his tackling cleaned up he can be a solid player for us. He's a smart one, and our zone/off scheme values smarts.
    3. Will Allen is gone. He was pretty good near the line, but a liability against the pass. Golden provided so much more in pass defense last year. I'm thinking of that first Cinci game when he denied Eifert a couple of times. Overall, I think Eifert had only two catches that game and Golden played a big role in that.
    4. Golson is a ballhawk and a half, and I think he provides an immediate upgrade in the slot over what Boykin gave us down the stretch.

    It's really not THAT bad.

    *On Blake, I think he was vilified a bit too much last year. He's not good, but I really have to hold the coaches responsible for putting him out there after his hand injury. He was already a so-so tackler, but after the injury it was automatic that he would miss just about every tackle attempt. His season was worse than it should have been, and I can't for the life of me figure out why we kept trotting him out there when he was clearly incapable of helping the team. Good luck in Tennesse Antwan.
     
  15. Dean

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    Is being the number 13 GM really that bad? I still think it's upper crust.
     
  16. RPO IZSB

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    One of the worst at managing the cap??? Where do they come up with this nonsense?

    But seriously, didn't we all stop taking this article seriously when we read #5?

    Then to find Spielman and Smith in the top 10? Lol

    Even Bellichick at #1 is comical. He's the best coach in the game... maybe ever. But he's not in the upper echelon of GMs

    I would have Ted Thompson, Kevin Colbert, Ozzie Newsome, John Schneider is the upper echelon.... they've proven it. Elway, Keim and Gettleman, there's not enough track record, and they inherrited a lot, so they are in the next tier.
     
  17. Lizard72

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    I looked at that guys top 4. Really?

    Belichick? As a coach I'm fine with it as a GM? Meh, ditto on the first round bust they just cut.

    Elway because he won a Superbowl this year with a QB that took less than 40% of the teams snaps and were a fumble by a backup RB away from being in serious trouble in the divisional round?

    Scheider? Because he drafted a bunch of guys that Carroll had already scouted and managed to be able to have them perform on minimum contracts until last year?

    Newsome? Seriously? Have you not seen what his roster has been like these last few years as his "stars" fell off?
     
  18. Blast Furnace

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    LOL! This guy!

    2015 is last year Dean! I didnt post an article from 2005 :roflmao:

    Have you not been on record as saying the secondary has sucked for years???? How is an article from 2015 ranking GM's not relevant????

    You did exactly what you accused TTF of doing :lollmao:
     
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  19. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    I was dying reading that.... tears
     
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  20. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    The funniest thing about NFL GM's is that the Bungles don't even have one. Isn't that like an elite restaurant not having a chef?
     
  21. SGSteeler

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    Where do you get "B" work?

    QB: Ben (1st) - A+
    RB: Bell (2nd) Williams (FA) - A+
    WR: AB (6th) Bryant (4th) Wheaton (3rd) DHB (FA) - A+
    OL: Villy (FA) Foster (FA) Pouncey (1st) Decastro (1st) Gilbert (2nd) a A-/B+

    NT - tbd - incomplete
    DE - Heyward (1st) Tuitt (2nd) - A
    OLB - Jones (1st)/Harrison (FA) Dupree (1st) - B- too early to tell with Dupree could be better or worse
    ILB - Timmons (1st) Shazier (1st) - B could be higher if Shazier breaks out
    S - Mitchell (FA) Golden (6th) - C? Still incomplete undtil after draft
    CB - Gay (6th) Cockrell (FA) Golson (2nd) - C-/D+ still incomplete because we know nothing of Golson and will draft one too

    He's done excellent work building the offense and has really done an admirable job replacing one of the best defenses in recent history. So what, the secondary has been bad for a couple years. It will get better. The roster is a fluid beast. We could be strong at CB as soon as next year and could be bad at WR... That's how the salary cap makes he NFL work. It's hard to look at our team and not recognize it as one of the most talented rosters in the league. Every team has a wart in it. Ours is the secondary. No team is perfect. The salary cap ensures that no team can afford a perfect roster.

    And worst at managing the cap is a joke. theres a reason we are up against the cap year in and year out. We're a good team. We pay to have a team like that. Just because we don't have tons of cap space to throw at outside FA's doesn't mean we don't manage the cap properly. We can let he Browns and Jags "manage the cap" to an excess of space for FA's. We will take the wins and the rings.

    I don't think Colbert is the best GM ever, but barely above average undersells him big time. No doubt he's one of the top 10.
     
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  22. steelersrule6

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    The OP or the writer :lolol:?
     
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  23. Lizard72

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    It really blows it out of the water if you use his logic and put Ozzie up there after last year's debacle!
     
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  24. Dean

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    I'll be the first to say Ozzie had a bad year last year. No doubt. But it was a bad year. They happen.
     
  25. Dean

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    Dude, look at the article date. September of 2015 is the start of the 2015 season. So your article cant be taking into account the 2015 season that has yet to play out. But.......if you want to discount the 2015 season, that's still three previous years of ignoring of the secondary coupled with bad cap management. No way Colbert is a top 6 gm in the league.
     

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