2017 comp picks/Signings

Oh I have sat back long enough.......Peters came with a lot of baggage and after the Steelers who don't draft guys like that were burned by Rainey and Ta'am(sp) I am sure they weren't going to jump up to grab another guy with baggage especially in the 1st, that is not the Steeler way. Now forget the season Peters had and forget how he conducted himself, the Steelers only had what he done in the past to go on. Yeah I would love to have him, give my right nut for him but I wasn't a guy who said jump up for him back then.

Now you have bashed Colbert a ton here in your 1st 40 posts but please point out to me another general manager who hits the draft 100%......waiting.......still waiting!!!!! I agree with the ignoring the CB position I am right there with you, but come on he has drafted defense in the 1st what 3 years in a row, he has some great finds in Beachum and Bryant to name a few. One more question why are you a Steeler fan, is it the rings???? You come on here and talk a lot on hate about the Steelers, are you a fan?

 

I'm not being irresponsible at all if you look at how the drafts shaping up. We have a good group of cornerbacks coming out this year. And we NEED a cornerback or two. We all know that cornerback is a premium position in this league and teams jump on good ones when there available. We will be in a good position to get one. Possibly Apple. But definitely in the range of Willie Jackson of Houston Cougars.

There is absolutely no SUCH THING as taking a guy too early as long as the guy pans out. If we take Wilie Jackson at # 25 and he pans out to have a rookie season like Peters (for example) who's to say we took him too early? It's not like hes' going to be there for us in the second round.

And this BPA type of drafting is good if your a sorry team that needs a lot. That' is not the case with us. Let me be specific: WE ARE NOT GOING TO ANY SUPERBOWLS WITH THE CURRENT CROP OF SECONDARY TALENT THAT WE HAVE! And.........that means we are wasting the remaining self life of Ben who doesn't have many good seasons left.


We need secondary help more then anything. And when your needs are down to only two or three areas, you attack those areas. When you have a flat tire, you don't go to Riley's auto care and get the best windshield whipper because that was the most accessible thing to get. You get a new tire or the car doesn't go! BPA is good for teams that have needs in a ton of areas. We are not far off from being in the Super Bowl.

 

And if you look at the abysmal way that Colbert has gone about filling the needs in the secondary, it's alarming. Just go and focus in on how we've done the secondary the last 4 years. They guy doesn't take those positions seriously while the rest of the league puts a premium on talented cornerbacks. I've every reason to want to go strong in the draft on the secondary in the first two rounds.

Talent wise, our secondary is easily in the bottom three of the least talented teams in the league in the secondary.


Look at the mocks. Willie Jackson is a first round worthy cornerback. I'd be elated if we selected him.

 

There is no such thing as "worth the pick". If you draft a guy (no matter where you draft him) and he pans out to be a good starter, it was a good pick. Period. Eli Apple and Willie Jackson are both worthy of our first round pick. I don't care if Jackson is suppose to be a top 45 draft pick. As long as he can come in, upgrade the play at that position, then it was a good pick.

If you have a good talent evaluator (which Colbert is suppose to be ) then your perception and ideas of who's good in the first couple of rounds and who's bad will be a little different then others. Our secondary play is keeping this team from reaching it's ultimate goal. Let's be specific here.

After what Jackson and Eli Apple did at the combine; plus what they've don on game tape, there is little doubt they are both "worthy" of our pick.

 

I tried to hate on Colbert, but then I looked at our roster and how it's full of talent drafted by the steelers. We haven't really hit on any recent secondary players (which is why we have an issue at that spot), but our entire high powered offense was drafted by us (minus Foster who was UDFA) and our entire Starting front 7 was as well (assuming Dupree as the starter not Moats). We've drafted really good depth too at ILB (Spence, Williams) S (Golden).

Basically I think Colbert has done a really nice job drafting our roster... We just need to hit on a secondary player or two in the upcoming draft and FA period

 

I see your point. But Jarvis Jones was red flagged the last two weeks before the draft and Colbert just ran up there to take him when everyone else was starting to say Jones wasn't the real deal after all. Which is why he was on the board when we took him.

For this year, because of the talent at the position, there will be first round worthy talent when we pick. So if we take Eli Apple or Jackson, both are first round talents. That's what I'm saying.

Again....................there is no such thing as "worth the pick". As long as that player pans out, he's worth the pick. Period. We constantly, constantly, constantly get burned when our cornerbacks are not able to go man on man. Playing zone all the time doesn't cut it when you have quarterbacks like Brady and Rodgers who spread you out. We have to have cornerbacks who have the talent to cover man on man.

We we face the best QB's, we have to be able to compete man on man in the secondary.

The William Gays of the world are not what you want on the corner when going up against Brady and the like.

 

Setting aside Jackson or Apple, we shouldn't take a corner in the first round then because after that, the next 5 corners in the draft are generally the same and can be taken in the second round. And I hear what your saying in regard to thinking Jackson is a second round talent. I think he's first round but regardless, he's a better talented corner then anything we have now. And has the potential to be our best man on man corner since Woodson.

I think Jackson can help us right now, this season. I watched the Cougars bowl game and he was outstanding in coverage and the limited tackling that he had to do. Now could Lodis McKelvin come in and give us bigger one year pop then Jackson? Probably. But at some point we have to stop trying to go the bargain basement direction with this position.

And what I'm seeing from the fans is a total disregard of the cornerback position in our defense. And management has that attitude too. And it's why we are stuck in neutral every time we run into the Bradys/Rodgers of the league. Because when we get spread out, we can't handle man on man coverage well.

No can that be helped by an awsome, awsome, pass rush? Sure! But this draft is full of defensive prospect guys on the line. We can get one in the second round if need be.

 

I agree some of these 2-4 round guys have some great value. Harlan Miller is my favorite but I also like what I saw from Sean Davis, Cyrus Jones, Artie Burns, Xavien Howard and James Bradberry.

 

I hear what you guys are saying. But we've got to add some real talent in that secondary. I'm tired of the business as usual way we've been addressing the secondary the last 4 years. If we could sign McKelvin and then draft a talented kid, then I'm totally satisfied. I'm not hard to please; I just want that secondary address in a somewhat serious manner.

Can you imagine what some ball hawking talent can do in that secondary with the way Butler had the front 7 attacking last season?

I'm salivating thinking about it.

 

Why?!

 

Because I want the defense to cause more turnovers.