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Best Safety for Steelers

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by Da Stellars, Feb 1, 2016.

  1. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    There are plenty of safties in this draft, but only a few who will fit in with our scheme. I think we are looking for a SS rather than FS.

    Who would you choose?
     
  2. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    Right now, from what I've read, it would be Darian Thompson, from Boise State. Seems like he has the best instincts and would help us most where we need it: in coverage.

    I'm still early in my "scouting" process so I may change my mind, but overall I like what I've read about him.
     
  3. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    Been pimping Darian Thompson since i got here. He's in my list of 1st round targets. I like to think he lasts to our 2nd round pick... but the way the board/needs shake out, I wouldn't have a problem taking him 25th overall.

    I like both Clemson safeties. SS Kearse in a 2nd/3rd round range, and FS Green in the later rounds.

    I was really impressed with Clayton Fejedelem at the East/West shrine game.... as a late round flyer sorta guy

    Oh... and Tevin Carter, late rounder, SS.... total bulldog. Hits like a truck. If you are looking for that "in the box" SS..
     
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  4. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I was looking at some of the top 10 safeties, interestingly enough they all seem the same... I guess the true in the box SS is going by the wayside?
     
  5. FinnSteeler

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    I would make an exception this year at safety and be happy with top 5-8 talent at position who is best at just one thing, coverage. Having got a good look at only Bell from OSU and Kearse I say Bell could be just the right type but not Kearse at least in 3 years. Kearse gets beaten in coverage and what got me worried was seeing he looking very average chasing plays from behind. If Kearse is top talent I would expect good speed chasing plays or at least confidence in speed at a level so that the player shows maximum effort. Would love physical threat and 6'5 SS but he has to prove he can move with the best of them.
     
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  6. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I just saw some of Jeremy Cash... reminds me of an in the box playmaking safety just like Troy. Great tackler and likes contact.

    Tevin Carter seems similar. Whoah he has speed and size!
     
  7. turtle

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    Doran Grant lol!! Let's hope anyway.

    Sean Davis out of Maryland is another one of those CB/S guys. Don't know much about him but I will definitely have to watch some Maryland games. He was at corner this year. 6'1" 200.
     
  8. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I watched a few of Thompson's games this AM on draft breakdown. I had also seen him in person in a game at UCONN in 2014. There's a lot there to work with. He's been a bit of a gambler at the college level, and it's paid off for the most part. He will give up a big play here and there, but he'll also cause turnovers. He's a tackler who gets it done, though I'd like to see him wrap up more and not just rely on getting the ballcarrier to the ground with a pop. With some coaching, he should be a really good safety in the NFL.

    I would agree that he doesn't make it to our pick in the 2nd. Heck, if he measures well he might not even make it to #25. Yeah, I'd strongly consider him in the 1st.
     
  9. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i like cash but may like vonn bell just a little more. never seems to get out of position on plays which makes me think he's got something upstairs in the know how department. :cool:
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Im going to be looking for this years Eric Rowe, I wanted him here bad, someone skilled to played safety and CB, disguising coverages.
     
  11. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers could use a ballhawk safety like Darian Thompson, he has 19 career ints.
     
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  12. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    I have just touched the tip of the draft but here is a list of guys I will be looking at or have seen a little bit and want to see more: Cash, Kearse, Bell, Killebrew, Simone and Carter. I will be checking most out but these guys have my interest, I also want to check out FS in case we have a need there.

    The thing is most of us know about the 1st round maybe 2nd round guys but I feel the draft is made when you can find good players in rounds 4-6. There are positions in this draft where I feel you could find a starter type guy and S is one of them this year. Not saying I want to wait til the 4th or 5th but lets say for example OT is weak and there is a very good player there in the 2nd and we have to choose between him or our top S left on the board I would have no problem waiting a round and taking the OT.
     
  13. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    we don't have a 5th and 6th this year ny. after the 4th we will have to wait until the late 7th.:cool:
     
  14. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    Yes I know that, but just because we don't have one now don't wean we won't get one. If there is players out there the Steelers want they know what they have and don't have they could trade back to add picks, ya know what I mean. A 5th or 6th is a ton easier to get then say a 1 or 2, so I look at the draft as if we do have all picks just in case they do make a move. If the Steelers feel there is a guy there they like in the 5th I am sure they will pull the trigger on a move, jmo.
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    If they trade back to pick up picks, it wont be for 5th and 6th rd.

    I disagree with the premise of your OP though, picking late to fill the DB position is why the secondary sucks to begin with.
     
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  16. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i agree. make the picks and work the UDFA guys early. we have found some good players out of that group over the years. foster, harrison, mclendon, will.j., nix, finney, hubbard, AV, garvin,etc..:cool:
     
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  17. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    Researching Jeremy Cash some more... really like what he does at the LOS. I guess pass coverage he is somewhat of a liability?

    Seems like he would rather be a linebacker? He flies though... like him a lot.
     
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  18. RPO IZSB

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    When they trade down from their picks in the 3rd or 4th round it will.
     
  19. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    Blast I agree with what your saying let be try to explain better. What I am saying is with this S class being so deep(imo) do we get the same value from say a guys like Bell, Cash and Kearse in the 2nd as we would with guys like Killebrew, Byard, Whitfield and Simone in rounds 2-4 while taking another position. I don't know the answer I am don't know enough about these guys. From my untrained eye maybe, but I don't want to draft a guy later who don't have potential. Like two years ago the CB class was deep we wait to the 5th round to draft Richardson, who wasn't on my radar and he didn't offer anything. I agree us drafting late every year got our secondary in this problem but look who we drafted.....Hawthorne.......Frederick. These guys were never in the discussion, I am talking about guys that are in the discussion at S.

    Not sure if I cleared it up for ya or made it more confusing, but where I am trying to go with it is depending on what prospects are there and position I would consider taking a safety later.
     
  20. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    Looking at the last 10 years... it seems Colbert prefers to wait until round 4 or 5 for a DB. Very rarely has he picked one higher.

    Golson excluded. Curtis Brown in round 3 was the only I could find.
     
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  21. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    also fyi look at last year 2 spots:

    San Diego Trades: Selection Choices: Round 1, 2015 (17), Round 4, 2015 (117), Round 5, 2016.

    San Francisco Trades: Selection Choice: Round 1, 2015 (15).

    Chargers selected Wisconsin running back Melvin Gordon at No. 15.
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I understand and thats been the Steelers MO, they wont draft for need, so if there is an OT sitting there in rd 2 that they like and not much separating the safties from rd 2-4, I'd suspect theyd take the OT. 4th rd guys have a 4th rd grade for a reason though, despite how little may be separating them from 2nd rd guys. That little bit of difference can be the difference between succeeding and failing.

    Gotcha. I was thinking more of the lines of trading out of the first rd which would bring them an extra 2nd and 3rd or 2nd and 4th. Something like that. I think that would be the smarter way to go if they could.
     
  23. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    I agree with what your saying about the S, a very fine line there.

    As for our draft picks I have said all along I want to trade back a few spots and gain a extra pick. I hope Elliott falls then that would help us too. Check this out from last year, pretty close to our pick:


    Denver Trades: Selection Choices: Round 1, 2015 (28), Round 5, 2015 (143) from Chicago, Round 5, 2016, center/guard Manny Ramirez.

    Detroit Trades: Selection Choice: Round 1, 2015 (23).

    I would do that all day....twice on Sunday!!!!! lol
     
  24. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i think we need quality over quantity right now. bens days are ticking away. we need to build.:cool:
     
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  25. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    a.j. stamps is worth a look too. :cool:
     
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