No more 2pt tries please Tomlin? Thanks!

I didn't like the call either. Go up 16-0 and force the Bengals and their inept offense to go for 2 twice and get 2 TDS and essentially get 4 scores. It made no sense at the time and if the Steelers lose this game 16-15 this is a huge huge deal instead it will not get talked about.

 

Going for 2 was absolutely the right call. the game played out in exactly the way that proved it was the right call, but some people are still clueless.

 

Ultimately, whenever we go for 2, these threads will always flare up.

Like Blast said, it made zero difference to this game. And for me, the right decision at that point in the game - it meant the difference between a two score and three score game.

 

Keep it gong Ben!!

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-two-point-conversion-statistics/2015/

 

Saying that the 2 point conversion hurt this team last night is assuming that everything that happened there after happened EXACTLY as it went down. I get going for 2 there, go up by 3 scores if you don't get it, you're still up by 2 scores and them needed 1 to be a 2 point conversion. As much as some of you hate Tomlin, that wasn't a bad call at all. That said, if he kicks it there you make Cinn have to go for a 2 point conversion twice.

I can see where second guessing the two point call has traction but I really can't fault Tomlin for that call.

 

If they made the 2 point conversion then it would've been a 3 score game, Ben could've ran it in instead throwing the ball behind Wheaton.

 

going for two was a bad choice, those that said it did not effect the outcome are not factoring in, that when the bungles scored there 1st td, had they been down 16-6, instead of 15-6, that would have put the pressure on them to go for 2, but they didnt have to.

 

Tomlin made the right call. It's only not obvious to haters

 

Did you play out the possible scenarios? 1st, how did it hurt since the Steelers won the game?

The Steelers were up by 15 based on what happened. A 2 possession game.

If the Steelers had decided to take the extra point the Steelers would had been up by 16 total points. Still a 2 possession game.

If the Steelers had executed the 2 point conversion it would had put them up by 17 points. The Bengals would had needed 3 possessions to win or tie the game.

Some people think it was worth the risk at that point of the game to go for 2 to put the Steelers up 17 to 0. There's no way the Steelers could had out right loss the game in the scenarios unless the Bengals took more risks. I think the Bengals would had elected play for the tie.

Maybe if the offense could put up more TD's when in the red zone this isn't as much of an issue?

 

Key point

 

I think it was the right call. 17-0 would have been a back breaker.

 

I think people are ignoring that if the Bengals had made their 2 point conversion the Steelers were kicking to go to OT instead of a win.

If the Bengals had thrown a fade to AJ Green like sane people then who knows.

Tomlin not outsmarting himself is always one of my keys to the game now. This 2 point attempt was nowhere near his dumbest call but it wasn't very bright either.

 

That logic only works I hindsight - you have to assess the call in the situation it was made in at the time.

 

Not really. Tomlin has no foresight. He doesn't know what will happen when he calls for 2.

In this case if the Bengals convert the 2 the Steelers go into OT with Landry Jones or Ben being unable to throw 10 yards.

Let me hear all the people arguing with the op and Shaner at least admit that if the Bengals had converted their 2 it is a different game that extends past regulation.

 

I'm not following your argument here, because you're saying that Tomlin doesn't know what will happen when he calls for 2 (much the same as anybody, barring prophets and clairvoyants), but then criticising the call precisely because of what did (or might have) happened later in the game. Which he didn't know would happen.

At the time, the 2 pt conversion was the difference between a 2 score and 3 score game, assuming the worst (i.e. the Bengals only score TDs). Add to that the percentage of successful conversions, and the call makes sense, whether you agree with it or not.

 

Umm 16-0 IS a 3 score game.

The only way it is not is if AJ McCarron makes not 1 but 2 2 point conversions after imaginary TDs he had not scored.

You might have a lot of faith in McCarron to convert but the Bengals didn't or they would have called something other than a RB screen.

If the score was 16-0 the Bengals would not have kicked an XP on their first TD. Their hand would have been forced to trying a 2 point on both the first and the second TD... just to tie.

Bengals made 1 2 point conversion all year. Forcing them to make 2 in one game when it's something they probably don't practice, and when they have a backup QB playing, and when it's raining hard... is a good move.

 

I won't argue it any more.

You are all in agreement that if Boswell had missed the game-winning kick and the Steelers had lost by 1 point it would have nothing to do with not kicking an XP.

And as I pointed out, being up 16-0 would have likely forced the Bengals to go for 2 twice... You know since they didn't score until the 4th. Pretty sure they would have gone for 2 twice but I'm not clairvoyant.

 

Monday, or in this case, Sunday morning quarterbacks!

 

The point is that Tomlin is playing "what ifs." Going for 2 in the third when the Bengals had not scored is playing "what ifs."

Tomlin makes dumb decisions all the time that don't cost wins- that doesn't make them good decisions.

Tomlin has no idea what will happen in the 4th. He is the one who is playing the "what if" game.

"What if" the Bengals don't get 2 personal foul penalties with 0:18 seconds left?

"What if" the Steelers never are GIFTED a FG chance by the Bengals?

What if the Steelers are left with a hail mary to win the game?

Well... Then the Steelers were set to lose the game by ONE POINT with 18 seconds left.

What part of that do you not understand?!?!

 

Literally the headlines would have been:

Steelers Fail 2pt Conversion: Lose by One

 

I understand that people can agree or disagree with a coaches decision. The problem I have is when people attempt to make Tomlin look like an idiot for the decisions he makes. Right or wrong, coaches usually have a reason or reasons for the decisions they made.

Tomlin likes his offenses chances of converting 2 point conversions. They work on it in practice. They've been relatively successful converting 2 point conversions. Those are some of the reasons Tomlin offered to explain why he likes to go for 2 points at times.

 

More revisionism.

The Bengals had 0 points through 3 quarters.

The Bengals scored a TD with 13:57 left in the game. That's "early"?

Shaner is exactly right that this confronts Lewis with a decision if the Steelers are up 16-0.

 

16-0 isn't a 3 score game, you only need 2 possessions to tie.