Officiating?!!!

looking back I have no problem with it. I know they wanted to let them play alittle more cause it was a playoff game. right or wrong we all know you can get away with alittle more this time of year. I was mad over the shazier play cause they blew the whistle but it was said earlier, they did cause it wasn't ruled a fumble. there was a lot to watch on that play. I think we were fortunate not to be flagged.

bottom line for me is, the bengals are a good team and we took it to them all night. ben going out would have cost us the game but defense stepped up and so did ben. I am proud of this team. we like to talk about how undisciplined they are but to me last night was an example of just how well disciplined and coach they are. that game could have been worse. we kept our composer and they didn't. we didn't retaliate and I think so teams in the past would have.

we move on and to me that makes this season a success. I want a championship but for me anything we accomplish now is with house money

 

The refs absolutely did blow the whistle. The play was dead, hence no TD. If they didn't blow the whistle, that would have been a TD. As for why the flag stands even though the TD doesn't, that's just the way the NFL rule book is I guess.

 

What do you expect from Cleveland 2.0

 

Shaner, I respectfully disagree. The play was allowed to continue all the way into the end zone. The play was brought back only after the review revealed that Cam Thomas' knee was down. Nevertheless, the rules are the rules. No touchdown, but still a penalty.

 

I'm with you. If the refs REALLY wanted the bengals, they would never have called the last fumble or let it stand or called the final 2 personal fouls. Yet it's hard not to get caught up (I know I do) in what SEEMS like deliberate one sidedness or when what's supposed to be a point of emphasis (not blowing a play dead for example) jumps up and screws your team. Immediate 15 yard penalty for demonstrating on a touchdown that gets called back, but no demonstrating or delay when 4 members of the other team run the length of the field into the tunnel?

The other thing I was noticing at the end was more clock running than should have been possible. Just a couple seconds here and there, but if someone can time the last fumble recovery and conclude that play took 13 seconds, that would be amazing.

Anyway I suppose you could flip a coin 14 times and get heads 11 and it's not deliberate bias and the fact that human beings are emotional and can do things that seem one-sided is understandable. Just glad that despite all that we live to fight another day

 

He may be thinking about the Bernard fumble that Shazier picked up. whistle did blow on that one.

 

I agree with you on the play and it did go all the way to the endzone and was overturned when the replay show Cam's knee down before he fumbled. I think Shaner82 is thinking of the Shazier return which did have a whistle (though I though the new mantra was to let those types of plays go and then overturn it later if it was not a fumble).

The penalty stands because it occurred - it was an after the play penalty. Just like if a personal foul would have occurred on a play that was blown dead.

 

Okay, nevermind. I thought you were talking about the Shazier play.

 

It also allowed our two best players to get hurt.

 

Bens injury was just one of those things though. It was a normal tackle. In fact, Burfict was blocked well, but Ben ran right into him. That tackle had nothing to do with old school football. The hit on Brown was definitely dirty though

 

While I agree that the officiating was a little suspect, I will place more (most) of the blame on Marvin Lewis. He's the Bengals coach, and as such, he should have control of his squad. He had NO control of his team last night and didn't appear to care. Burfict should have never been in a position to make that kind of disgusting play, and that's on Lewis.

 

For some reason (coaching?) our DBs have no ability to read receivers' eyes or hand motions and react by turning their heads. They typically just run facemask-first into their chests to break up a play. Definite and valid PI call there.

 

The officials lost control the last game these 2 teams met and did so this
game also. This should be looked at closely.

 

I see a lot of people complaining about Joey Porter being on the field at that time, and why wasn't there a 15 yard penalty to negate the one Jones got...but...didn't I see Dunlap yelling at the Refs with his Helmet off ? ( Not sure )...but isn't there also a CLEAR RULE where if a player on the field removes his helmet that it is a 15 yard unsportsmen penalty ?.....why wasn't that called ?

 

Why the hell did Munchak get that 15 yard penalty? Watched it a few times and can't figure out why the flag was thrown.

 

If you watch closely, you can see clearly that Munch threw sand in Nelsons vagina.

 

That was Peko and he did get flagged.

 

How the **** was Burfict not flagged for excessive celebration on the INT??? There's your 15 yards, even without Pacman's penalty.

 

There are a few simple rules the NFL really needs to adopt to help clean up the game and make it safer..they should consider the targeting rule like in college. Anyone coming off the sidelines to initiate a confrontation is automatically ejected ,saw plenty of that from the 'gals last nite.(like leaving the bench in the NBA.) your third unsportsmanlike or personal foul ,automatic ejection. And for the love of God the PI penalty has to be a 15 yard penalty or made reviewable we have seen way to many calls or non calls that could of gone the other way. One game it's a penalty the next game it's not and it don't want to hear that the defenders will just start grabbing guys because they do already when they are beat and college has had the rule for years and you don't notice it being a big part of the game. There shouldn't be a worse penalty than trying to end someone's career or seriously injure them and a 50 yd penalty for PI is....

 

Different part of the game

 

The officiating completely took over the game and almost stole the win from us. That should have been a defensive TD = game over. Ben and Brown don't get hurt. None of that crazy stuff should have ever happened.

 

I was pissed there too, but you know as well as I do, retaliation gets the flag and Burfict was pretty subtle stepping on Foster's foot. In real time it wasn't obvious what happened so throwing the flag on Foster made sense. Can't fault the refs for that one.

That PI that set them up on the 4 really bothers me. I've watched that play several times and I just don't see the PI. That was a total gift that changed the game.