Hot Take: Get Rid of Tomlin, Promote Haley

I would not want anybody from within. Not sure Munch is a good head coach, his track record is not good, but a great line coach.

 

Agree and starting to think its time for replacing for the same reason it was good when Cowher was gone. It was TIME. It sometimes needs a new perspective as its getting old now with Tomlin. I feel the same about Coughlin with the Giants, he was good for a while but a new perspective is needed.

 

I think if you want to change coaching and remain competitive in the short term you need to keep a similar offense installed. Our offense isn't the problem. The problem is defense and game management. So I have no problem giving Haley a shot. It's Tomlin - NOT haley that has allowed the defense to fall apart... game management is so bad - anything would be better.

This team has a lack of attention to details. You see it in the game time decisions. You see it in the execution. You see it when our offense can't get a snap off. You see it when we blow coverages with regularity. You see a HC who chooses to not take points when the opportunity is there because he's stupid, arrogant, or both. You see a coach who doesn't understand clock management and isn't organized enough to give someone the job to handle the clock if he can't. We take risks when the reward isn't there... we don't take risks when it is.

Even personnel decisions are a joke. Kicker issues. Mike Vick. Boykin-gate. Who's decisions are these? You're 31st in the league against the pass and that's with one of the best offenses in the league...so really we're probably the worst defense in the league - period. AND WHY is Boykin sitting? Cause he's an inside guy and so is Gay?!!? WTF That's the kind of stuff we see from Tomlin's teams for 5 years now. 5 years in a row of this stuff is not a fluke. The rebuilding is over. We are Tomlin's team - and the win/loss record speaks volumes. Thank God for our talent on offense otherwise we'd be looking at 3-4 wins this season.

 

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I agree, it's time for a change, and also think that some people here will never admit it. Only thing you didn't mention about our poor personnel decisions was our famous no. 1 pick outside linebacker Jones and his performance over the last 3 years.

 

No I don't think Haley is the answer. We need a COACH, not a buddy to them like Tomlin & Haley are.
Also, Haley wasn't real good in KC. He was their HC from 2009-2011. In 2009, they went 4-12. In 2010, they went 10-6, won their division, but lost in Wild Card Week to the Ravens. In 2011, they went 5-8 before Haley was fired with 3 games left in the season.

 

Upset with the loss today is an understatement. Why in the world were we playing zone and why was Blake in there when Mallet started picking on him early? Why do we wait for a problem to, not only develop, but hit us over the head with points before we do something about it?

Ben was off, that's going to happen but so was Brown, Wheaton, Miller, James, DHB, the entire D, and the O line too. In fact, I would say the only one on was the guy they brought in from another team, DeAngelo Williams.

That's a lack of preparation, that's coaching.

 

Everybody brings up very valid points, but I have been saying this for years. The OP really does bring the Tomlin question
to heart though. When Ben goes, so does Tomlin his party is over.

 

Haley had a bad game yesterday .On the first drive why in the hell do you call a deep handoff on 4th. and a ball . Every OC in the world with a 6-5 QB goes sneak . Haley inserted DHB and the Ravens backed off 15 yards was an easy pitch and catch never went back to that play again. To many deep shots when we needed to convert on 3rd. and short..Empty set on 1st and goal,WTH was that ? No play action off of the runs that had worked ? Where was the progression in the play calling ...

I actually think Haley just cost himself a HC job for another Team yesterday .. The game plan, the game flow, the situational calling was horrid.

 

No way would I fire Tomlin only to replace him with Haley. I think you'd lose the locker room in an instant and not gain a thing in return for it. Haley is a notorious a-hole and probably just as guilty as Tomlin at all the things Tomlin gets grief for: situational football, personnel management, gut decisions, etc. If we want to fire Tomlin and hire from within the only viable option to me is Munchak. I think he keeps the locker room together and brings his meticulous attention to detail from the OL to the entire team.

I am not in favor of firing Tomlin, though. For all of his perceived flaws, I think what he does best is not try to tame our wild horse, Big Ben. The success of this team for the next five years lives and dies with the performance of #7. No coaching staff will change that. Team improvement will be internalized by Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, our defense can get better, but we aren't winning another Super Bowl unless Ben wants to improve.

 

Haley As long as Dan Rooney is alive, Tomlin will stay.

 

I am NOT and have never been a MT supporter! He and Haley have got to go, some issues as reported earlier in the thread: Blake starting, empty backfield, Jacoby, Vick, lack of clock management, losing to backup QB's constantly!! Ugh! There has to be someone, somewhere better than these two morons? Peterson from Washington State comes to mind, he plays to win the game!!
When is this team ever ready to play? Blame Ben for yesterday's loss is easy to do, but the team overall looked like a deer in the headlights!
Get rid of Tomlin and Haley in one fell swoop!!

 

Here's a hotter take, kidnap Arians and bring him back here.

Yes, I went there

 

Tomlin is a players coach. He's basically a mascot and there for the great interviews. He does nothing as far as "coaching" and there's plenty of proof to back that like he was a DB coach with the Vikings and the secondary has gotten progressively worse since his tenure. Can't even coach this DBs up to be half decent. Can't even convince Colbert to draft a good DB. Horrible time management with timeouts. Horrible decision making, I'm just thinking about that chance at 3 he took away early in the game. That makes it a tied game. They easily lost 2-3 games this season alone on his decisions which is crazy. Arguably lost a few because he didn't trust Landry Jones and went and got Vick bringing the Steelers image thru the mud. The only thing I can think of that he actually did right this season was going for 2 against the Chargers and Bell got hit 2 yards behind the line and made a freakish play. He should zig and he zags. He's made the wrong decision at almost every time this season besides the 2pt in San Diego and a few 2pt conversions. Yet he will still be the coach because the Steelers don't fire coaches. I like Tomlin, I really do but he's a horrible coach.

Also, I love how he always lowkey blames Ben in the big losses.

 

The days of Chuck Noll and Vince Lombardi ruling with an iron fist are over. This is a players league. Players coaches will only survive. If the coach doesn't have support of the players they will fail. So I have no issue with Tomlin being a players coach. It's the times.

I do have a problem with us not having a true leader who's an expert in his field. No one would be ok with Tomlin telling Keith Butler "you are done - I'm taking over the defensive play calling" No one would trust Tomlin to take over the offense. Tomlin can't fix any of our issues. That's why we don't try to address them till the offseason...and we've failed at that for 5 years running. Our problems get worse. He has surrounded him self with good coordinators to do his job and he just watches the chips fall. Sometimes you need a HC to take the bull by the horns and fix the problems. We saw this with Noll and Cower. You've seen it with Bellicheat and other good coaches around the league. A good HC should be able to do the job when others can't. A well coached team makes few mistakes and can execute plays with consistency because they are well taught and skills are sharpened.

Tomlin's expertise - defensive backs. enough said.

 

Tomlin did blame Ben again. He said finishing -2 in turnovers was the difference. That also implicates the D for not getting turnovers. He did mention his idiotic 4th and 1 attempt as a TOD.

Realistically if Tomlin had kicked a FG at the Racens 25 and Ben had not wasted two timeouts in the 3rd the Steelers win that game.

 

That's what kills me and nobody ever addresses it. The one thing he was suppose to be good at was coaching DBs. So if we are actually grading his "coaching" It would be the secondary and it's the weakest link on the team and has been for YEARS. Arguably one of the worst in the league. So what does he actually do? Serious question.

 

You need to get your facts straight. Tomlin was never a DB coach for the Vikings. He was Defensive Coordinator for the Vikings in 2006... the year before he was hired HC for the Steelers. Previous to that... he was DB coach for the Bucs from 2001-2005. Tomlin got a ring with the 2002 Bucs and coached good players like Ronde Barber and John Lynch.

 

Okay, same difference. He was a D coordinator and DB coach from 1998-2006. DBs was suppose to be his specialty. He has been the Steelers coach for 8 years and the DBs are the weakest link. Care to explain? If there was one position he was suppose to be able to coach...

 

Poor drafting at the CB and Safety positions are to blame ever since 2010. Colbert, the GM, is equally responsible for the mess the secondary is in. Not just Tomlin. In Tomlin's defense... he has to work with talent he's given... and the talent has been sub-par. There's nobody in the Steelers secondary right now that is anywhere near the talent of a Ronde Barber or a John Lynch.

 

Steelers are 11th in scoring defense. That is with little talent on the back end and underachievers in the front 7.

 

Keenan Lewis is a solid corner. This would be a different team with him on it.

 

I agree.

 

Didn't Ben call those timeouts?