Playing down to competition?

Agree. but we also have beaten plenty of lesser teams this season.

 

Not as many as Tomlin has had since losing to Tebow in the payoffs 5 years ago. At some point if the team isn't good it's probably not a stretch to think the coach is the problem. Especially considering there are plenty of other teams winning more with less at QB over the past 5 seasons.

 

Of course they do, but our problems have become systemic. That means leadership.

 

I don't understand where you are coming from. Mallet, is junk.

 

No offense bro but you sound like the PPG.

 

it's definitely a pattern.

Also can't deny poor in game management. For a coach that sits there all game with a head set and seems to make no other decisions other than Challenges, TO's, punt or go for it, and when to kick a FG... he seems to have a VERY difficult time handling this. Which IMO makes him a bad HC. Today we got to see it all. Bad clock management, not taking points when you should, and missing a clear challenge that would have maybe won the game. Why do we expect so much more out of our players then we do our HC?

 

Osweiler is no rookie, he's in his 4th year.
A.J. McCarron is not a rookie either, he's in his second year.

 

You are splitting hairs. Of course they are not rookies, but how many NFL starts have they had? I don't understand your defense. We have leadership issues, I think that is what many are trying to say.

 

I'm still trying to figure out what the criteria for "playing down to the competition" is? Are we only talking about sub .500 teams? Teams that are below us in the standings?

 

I want to echo this sentiment. Tomlin's bravado when it comes to going for it, and not taking points has been wreckless this year

 

I don't think we have any leadership problems. I don't think Tomlin has any problem when it comes to leadership of this team. These players hang on his leadership. You can hear it when they talk, they constantly quote things he says. They definitely buy into what he says.

Some of his decision making in games is puzzling. He makes some bonehead decisions for sure.

 

The stats have been shared many times and one stat has even been shared right in this thread. For a contending team (which were supposed to be every year), we lose far too many games to sub .500 teams. The stats have even been posted on TV during our games because it's become systemic. Other teams have upsets, we get upset far too often though. We're 7-11 against sub .500 teams since 2012 (not including this season). Yeah, we beat weaker teams during our championship years, but since then, we've been terrible against them, despite having more talent now than we did in 2008. Hell, we lost to Tampa Bay last year.

Wasn't Chuck Noll almost undefeated against sub .500 teams?

 

I been in leadership all my adult life. A team takes on your attitude and mindset. Leadership is more than decisions. You can state all the quotes that you wish, just because players buy into it, doesn't mean they are buying into the right thing.

 

Shanner, My point was that the thread title says "playing down to the competition" I took that to mean any team we play that is considered below us in the standings, not exclusively sub .500 teams. That was what I was debating, the fact that we don't always play down to lesser teams.

 

I'm not arguing that at all. As a matter of fact I agree. Decision making during games is suspect, but the leadership of his players is actually pretty good.

 

Well I'm sticking with sub .500. You can't judge "lesser" with any kind of facts. Sub .500 is a pretty good indicator that a team is "lesser" though. We struggle with teams that we should beat, something that we never used to struggle with.

 

That's fine, If we're talking against sub .500 teams then we suck for sure.

 

I meant as far as actually playing. You get the point though. Three games with the starting QB not in.

 

No, he does not lead his players well, that was my entire point. He lets them roam too much. He accepts to much. He is too much a players coach. He does not rein anybody in.

 

Maybe I'm not conveying it right. I believe Tomlin is a very good leader and his men would die for him (so to speak). Maybe he just isn't worth a dam at football decisions?
I've argued so many things tonight I can't remember what my stance is on anything right now. Lol..

 

Got ya.

 

Nor does he know how too.

 

I get it now you hate Tomlin.

 

There it is... Ok man... You know, you and I agree on some things and that's great but you just proved you are a homer. Cause you try to shut me down with I hate Tomlin ****e.