We're forgetting something about Vick

I thought you were going to go with "He's a left-handed QB!"

That's probably my biggest gripe with him as a back-up. With time to prepare for a game you can install the plays he runs better and "see's" better in his drops.

Notice his first play in as some other poster mentioned. He looked like he was taking a right-handed QB drop then came around to change his position. Of course Beachum and Foster getting abused didn't help.

Now you have Gilbert being the blind side tackle.

Vick has been running right handed plays for most of his career, but when he gets into a game without the reps before hand, he's going to struggle. Todd Haley can use that to his advantage against the Ravens though on a short week to prepare.

 

DING DING DING DING! Many dork points to you my friend! I do it to my wife too. John Mayer has a song called "My Stupid Mouth". I know the feeling. My wife just looooves when I talk about how beautiful Grace Kelly is. LOL!

 

I'm repulsed by what Ben "allegedly" did. Is that better? My point is that it is possible for people to do bad things and then turn their lives around.

 

Yeah and with Gilbert protecting him I expect many epic battles between Mac and Snack. LOL!

 

<-----Going to pop some popcorn and sit back hitting refresh!

 

Rear Window. That is all. LOL!

 

LOL!

 

I just cannot imagine Vick is actually the best option out there for this team. I think we should explore a trade or re-visit free agency tbh. We have all these weapons on offense.. We need a half-competent veteran pocket passing QB who can get the ball to these guys. Someone with some bit of accuracy. Vick is about the least accurate QB anywhere... Rostered, free agent, retired, anybody... He has been awful since after the 2010 season. Rex Ryan didn't even want him this offseason, and his QB situation was a mess before finally settling on Taylor. The only reason Vick was even on the Jets roster last year was to mentor Geno Smith since their styles were similar.

Aside from the fact I hate him as a human, I just can't the point of this from a strategical standpoint either.

 

OK, Jack...


I sure have no room to be "holier than thou"...

That was not my intent.
I still don`t believe Ben did anything wrong, and I`m pretty sure all Harrison ever did wrong was get in a domestic dispute with his son`s mother, over visitation, and smash her cellphone against a wall..

Pretty sure he never hit HER...

Anyhow, like you said, I`m not judge, jury, or executioner..

We have had questionable character players on this team over the years, for sure...

Vick is different, because we all know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what he did, and he did it, before we decided to put him on our team.

Sure, you can say people deserve second chances,...

But Is there ever a person who DOESN`T?

Ya gonna give Hitler, Dahmer, Manson, school shooters, movie theater shooters, etc, 2nd chances?!?


At some point, you have to draw the line, or you go down a "slippery slope", the other way, by giving second chances to people who don`t deserve them...

IMO, Vick doesn`t deserve one, and besides that, he`s not that damn good as a quarterback.


From strictly a football point of view, his best attribute, was his ability to scramble, and keep defenses honest with his legs...

even IF he still had that threat,

Is that what you really want from a BACK-UP quarterback???


Taking a chance on getting hurt???

Then who comes into the game???

Sorry, what I really wanted to ask was, what does "JMHOWADR" stand for?

I`m guessin "Just My Humble Opinion...???"don`t know the rest of WADR...

Didn`t mean to get carried away with the rest...

I`ve just never been conflicted about rooting for the Steelers before...
Vick makes it difficult.

 

WADR = With All Due Respect

Not sure I'd put Vick in the same category as Hitler and Dahmer, but I agree that what he did was terrible. But he's gone to prison and paid his debt to society so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And the James Harrison police report said that he hit his girlfriend across the face with this open hand and knocked her glasses off. Shame on him! But, I root for him to destroy the QB every time he takes the field.

 

Just out of curiosity, if Ben WOULD have been found to have acted illegally in either of those situations but then got off on like a technicality would you have not watched him either? I respect everyone's opinion about Vick but I'm just curious if there are situations where you would draw the line on other guys as well? Like if Adrian Peterson was available would you be against watching if we took him? I mean he hurt a kid ya know? Just curious is all.

 

The thing about Hitler and all those guys is they didn't get a second chance either and no I would never be for any of them ever seeing the light of another day. The only reason Manson is still alive is because CA overturned the death penalty a few years after his conviction. I understand the point Bleed is trying to make about second chances though.

 

I respect that. And my wife had a father who beat the crap out of her mother, but I still root for Harrison because he wears the black and gold and his success is intertwined with the Steelers success. My wife's dad, who just passed away, found forgiveness and redemption and I have to believe that Vick and Harrison and Ben and I can do the same.

 

I don't want to get into another Vick debate, because everyone on here knows I hate his guts and hope he breaks his legs on the first play from scrimmage Thursday night.. I hate people bringing up Harrison and trying to compare the two situations though. That's complete bull****. Harrison had one bad moment, in a fit of rage, over an issue with his son getting baptized. He admitted to police what happened, and didn't hide from it. Had this been a recurring matter with Harrison, things would be much different, as would everyone's opinions of him. Vick didn't make a mistake. He lived a disgusting, sadistic lifestyle. He only stopped because he was caught. That's it. That's the difference. He'd still be doing what he did to this day if he was never caught. Making a split second bad decision is completely different than committing the same, sadistic crimes, day in and day out. Stop comparing the two. There is no comparison.

 

Oh dude trust me I value a dog's life greatly. I have two and would take or give a bullet for either. I was just curious if there were other players or instances where you'd draw the line. I don't know any big Steeler fans personally so I can't actually ask anyone this question except for my online buddies. That's just a question I've had for a while regarding this. I know the dilemma exists for me with Michael Jackson. I grew up OBSESSED with him and still WANT to love his music but me and my buddies were talking the other day about how you almost feel bad for even enjoying his stuff because it seems so tainted. Even though you aren't even really sure whether he did it or not. The same goes for The Cosby Show. It's one of the all time greats but the accusations against him are just so shocking.

 

So nothing Vick can EVER say or do will be enough? Yes, what he did was disgusting and repulsive but for those of us that still believe people can actually feel remorse and change their lives we can try to move on from it. And the comparison to Harrison is a valid one IMO. You disagree and that's fine with me. I'll be rooting for Vick to have success so the team can have success while you're rooting for his legs to be broken. Go Steelers!

 

Wow..
A lot to address, in one post..

Jack, Thanks for helping me with the abbreviations, much respect to you...

Yer right, I was carried away in my comparisons, was just trying to make a point...

The dogs` lives mattered, too...


And, BFT, If I really thought Ben was a rapist, I would be just as harsh a critic of his, as I am of Vick`s...

I know he let success go to his head, and he had some issues...

But I tend to believe those girls were either willing participants, or girls looking to sue a rich athlete, for a payday.

He came into this league as a humble young man, with a good family`s upbringing..

I could be wrong, but I believe he meant it, when he put PFJ (Play for Jesus) on his shoes, and paid the fines, to keep putting it there..

And pointed to the sky, when he threw touchdown passes (and still does)...

No, he`s not a saint.

He, probably meant it when he wore a shirt that said "drink like a champion", after his 1st

SuperBowl win, too...

But, that`s a far different thing than what Vick did, IMHO...

 

I totally respect and value your opinion. I mean I flat out agree that what Vick done was horrible. Really horrible. I was just curious if there were other instances like the AP thing or something where people wouldn't be able to root for us if we signed him.

 

Football is football. I try to keep personal feelings on a individuals personal life out of it. If he helps the team win so be it. I looooove Ben but I think he was a scumbag. Then again I'm a scumbag. Oh yea,


NOBODIES PERFECT or a saint lol.