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Brady will be playing week one.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 12to88, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. Steelhammer92

    Steelhammer92 Well-Known Member

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    There's always been too much smoke for there not to be any fire.. Probably still up to the same ol' tricks to this day.
     
  2. Busman

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    Well if I was a cheater why would I stop.. Clearly there are no reprecussions. I really hope JH is ready and takes this personally
     
  3. Steel_in_DC

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    Thanks TTF - this is what I felt all along that Goddell was possibly overreacting to this because of his major f&!k up on the Spygate issue. Let's face it as much as we think Brady is a cheater in doing what he did, their was a rule on the book where you get 25K fine for equipment tampering issues - so if you multiply this by the 13 or 14 balls or so a fine of $350K to $400K should have been issued and the NFLPA was basically right that there was nothing on the books that spoke of expected suspensions for not cooperating. The process that the NFL followed was pretty ludicrous. And yes the CBA basically gave Roger the power to be the judge, jury, and executioner - but we learned that the NFLPA (and with someone like Brady who is both smart and unaccommodating) is finding ways to fight that power.

    Goodell is the worst commissioner that anyone could ever dream up. He is a complete lap dog to the owners - especially one Robert Kraft for a period of time - while simultaneously being completely hated by the players and fans. He screwed up royally on the Spygate issue - that was the investigation worth carrying out and it required some real cahunas to be brave enough to follow through on it and build consensus amongst owners and outside interests as to what the right thing would have been to do, but because of his knee jerk reaction to just shutting down things and destroying evidence everybody was left so divided on the issue that it settled nothing. And then years later he follows up with this mess where the league once again looks utterly unprepared on how to handle the situation and overreacts.

    Goodell is a total clown - but he is the owners' clown and as long as they believe his klutzi-ness doesn't have a noticeable downside - the clown will keep his post.
     
  4. thorn058

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  5. Ray D

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    Stops just short of confirming everything we've always suspected. Someone knows where the bodies are buried. How much longer until the whole thing comes to light?

    Disguising people to tape practices and walkthroughs, taping signals, putting "agents" in disguise to rummage through locker rooms and hotel rooms for material including playbooks, first 20 play scripts, etc.

    And there never was an adequate investigation into the alleged jamming of headsets or, quite possibly listening in to headset broadcasts. (Patriots and fans hoped we forgot about that one)

    "At least 40 games from 2000-2007" is so damning, one wonders how that franchise is even allowed to exist.
     
  6. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    The most damning thing in there may be the section pertaining to Mike Martz.
     
  7. Ray D

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    We also have confirmation they robbed us in 2002. :stogie::mad: (And 2004 was also very fishy)
     
  8. Ray D

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    The coverup is always worse than the crime.

    Too bad congress didn't get involved. To a point, I almost understand why Goodell thought t was necessary to sweep it under the rug. But in doing so, he cast doubt on the NFL's integrity by himself.
     
  9. 12to88

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    I have maintained all along that the "overreaction" to Brady was a "last straw" reaction. For example, when a cop keeps pulling you over for traffic violations and tells you, "Don't make me pull you over again or else I'm throwing the book at you," and then you get caught driving with a busted tail light, what's going to happen? Is a busted tail light a big deal? Not really. But it becomes one when you have repeatedly shown disregard for what the officer is telling you.
     
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  10. Ray D

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    And he's the only one talking (for now).

    I promise you he wasn't the only one urged to shut up and keep quiet.
     
  11. Steel_Elvis

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    So, with respect to spygate - if I take my "I hate the @#$! Pats" hat off and look at it rationally, I do understand and agree that the league could not afford the degree of scandal that would have erupted if the truth was put out to the general public. That dirty laundry needed to be kept in house to the maximum extent possible.

    On the deflate gate scandal - I do think they're guilty of something. This was not just an innocent misunderstanding. However, the NFL so thoroughly FUBARed their own game day ball handling and subsequent investigation that there was no way to validly impose punishment on Brady IMO. The way the balls were dealt with that day was the equivalent of contaminating a crime scene with the DNA of 50 people, and then finding the suspect guilty based on DNA evidence. And then there's the issue of the league already having a 25k fine for equipment tampering. It just doesn't hold together, and I think the judge made the right decision. I hate it because I DO think they're guilty, but the NFL blew it big time.
     
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  12. 12to88

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    The connection was simple, imho. You had a locker room attendant taking footballs into a location in which he wasn't supposed to. Regardless of what he or anyone else says about "taking a leak." Fact is, he took the footballs into a place they weren't supposed to be. Period. End of discussion. And by every former QB's statements, an attendant would not violate football protocol without the QB knowing it.
     
  13. BobbyBiz

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    And that guy just so happened to be nicknamed "the deflator" :roflmao:
    What are the chances?
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

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    I think they're guilty. However the NFL didn't log ball pressures before the game - screwup. When the ref found out about McNally taking the balls to the field, he didn't order them to be rechecked even though there was time before kickoff - big screw-up. Prior to the game, the official did not log which gauge was used to measure the Pats and Colts balls. Oops. Turns out that the gagues were about .4 psi different. All it takes is assuming that the higher reading gauge was used for the Pats balls pre-game combined with the natural drop in pressure due to temp to pretty much explain away the differential. Had the NFL handled this correctly on game day, they could have nailed the Pats as definitively as they did with spygate. But they didn't, and their own evidence is tainted.
     
  15. Steel_in_DC

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    You know I went out to a NESN (bandwagon site that thinks the Patriots have never done a thing wrong) and I read the statement by the Patriots basically saying this is just bringing up dirty laundry and the Patriots have a great owner, coach, QB ... blah blah blah (http://nesn.com/2015/09/new-england-patriots-release-statement-on-espn-outside-the-lines-report/)

    I read some of the comments by the NE fan base with their typical blinders on and they see it as proof the NFL is trying to release this as a way so they will not look so bad now that they lost in court to Brady. Of course in reading the article what you come to realize is how badly Goodell handled Spygate - going as far to ask Mike Martz to release a statement exonnerating the Pats. In other words, the ESPN report arguably makes the NFL look worse than the Patriots.
     
  16. BobbyBiz

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    This. I've always said this. Spygate happened just after the Cheats stole their 3rd title in 4 years and the NFL would look very bad if it came to light that their current dynasty was a fraud, so it was buried.

    Over the years the story has been sanitized that they were just videotaping signals and nothing else. Cheat fans repeat this verbatim when pressured about Spygate. But back when it was a story and before it was buried and went away, it was more sinister. The real story that every single Chowderhead has forgotten is that it was an elaborate operation where they were videotaping signals and matching them up with game film to know exactly what the defense was doing and using them in future games. Remember the big deal about how Belichick was such a genius that he was undefeated when playing a team for the second time in a year?

    I also seem to remember but cannot find a quote from one of the DBs or LBs saying THE DAY AFTER the '04 AFCCG that it was "like they knew what we were calling..." 3 years BEFORE spygate came to light.

    The whole organization is corrupt without a doubt. I only hope that Karma bites these ****ers and their arrogant douchebag fans right in the dick someday.
     
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  17. BobbyBiz

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    The irony for Cheat fans is that in order for Spygate to be much ado about nothing they have to believe that Goodell did sufficient job in investigating it....and at the same time believe that he did a poor job in investigating Deflategate.

    Oh the conundrum....
     
  18. 86WardsWay

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    I'm so disgusted by the NFL and how it is run by this commissioner especialy when it comes to his favorite team pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with and then when caught red handed, the punishment becomes just a slap on the wrist.

    At this point, I would rather the Steelers thumb their nose at the NFL and win the coin toss, defer to kick the ball off deep thru the endzone. Have Brady start at the 20. He snaps the ball and our team just stands up and doesn't budge an inch. Let Brady win 162-0. Problem wth that is we don't have a kicker that can put one that deep.
     
  19. 86WardsWay

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    Hine Ward stated that quote and he was right on the money!
     
  20. Busman

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    Oh my god I love this lol. I think every team should do this ... It would be a shot across the bow of the Pats organization. " nobody wants to play with cheaters"
     
  21. Blast Furnace

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    Shocking, the Patriots are cheaters, I'm at a loss.

    You know, because the only two times they have been caught were the only two times they have cheated :facepalm:

    They should be stripped of their titles. Will never happen but should. And before people jump on me, ask yourself this, who cheats if it doesn't provide a competitive edge?
     
  22. BobbyBiz

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    I think you're safe here. ;) Now if you were on Boston.com's comment section, then.....
     
  23. thorn058

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    Did you see that after the article was released Roger said he sees no connection and the Pats were quick to put out a statement disputing the fact that they every taped a walk through or practice. Not that they had cheated just that Boston Globe had run the story 7 years ago with no proof they taped a walk through or practice and had to retract it and that ESPN had to apologize for quoting that report recently. At this point Id like to just ask one question of BB. In what way did you misinterpret a rule that led you to believe that having your videographer dress up in NFL Films clothing or cover Pats logos and hide the fact that they were recording was in fact perfectly legal?
     
  24. Steel_in_DC

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    The thing about the Boston fan base spouting that ESPN had to apologize about the taping of walk throughs is that they gloss over what ESPN really said in the article. First ESPN does not say it is a known fact that the walk through was taped. Second they speak that Matt Walsh informed the Patriot coaches where players were in red line formations, especially Marshall Faulk. So they are asking for ESPN to apologize again for something they didn't state.
     
  25. BobbyBiz

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    Just read the comments from the ESPN article. Every single Chowderhead is parroting the same line...."Videotaping isn't illegal and never was...." They totally ignore the depth of the crime....how they were videotaping signals and pairing it with game film to know exactly what was called. I blame the NFL. They sanitized this story way back in '07 and every knuckle dragging chuckleheaded Cheat fan regurgitates the same ole BS.
     
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